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I use Telegram for that. Also good for taking notes or reminders for yourself without having to use a separate app.

by I_o_IllI__o_I 2y ago

sneak 2y ago
Telegram is not end to end encrypted, and thus not suitable for such uses due to insecurity.
- NayamAmarshe 2y ago
  Telegram has cloud encryption via MTProto 2.0. The servers use a distributed key generation mechanism.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - ffpip 2y ago
    Cloud encryption is just HTTPs + encryption at rest (only claimed, not verified). They hold the keys, irrespective of how many proprietary protocols they wrap over the message. A great product tho! I used saved messages extensively!
    - NayamAmarshe 2y ago
      > Cloud encryption is just HTTPs + encryption at rest Not just plain-old HTTPs. MTProto 2.0 is a whole encryption algorithm for Cloud chats: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto/AJiEAwIYFoAsBGJBjZwYoQIwFMAm/2-0 https://core.telegram.org/mtproto/AJiEAwIYFoAsBGJBjZwYoQIwFM...
      - ffpip 2y ago
        In the end, they hold the keys irrespective of how many algorithms they wrap on top. I do not feel it is any different from Google Chat, Twitter DMs, etc. They do have a lot of censorship resistant and anti-MITM attack features in between, but they hold the keys by default I use it for convenience and amazing features, not for security!
NayamAmarshe 2y ago
Same here! I use Telegram Saved Messages a lot! It's fast and very convenient. Telegram doesn't support markdown though, that's why I decided to build writedown.app
Renaud 2y ago
Are messages to self even safe on Telegram? Secret chats don’t work between the desktop client and the app, so I would suspect that, like the rest of the messages, everything is saved on telegram’s servers in the clear. Or am I missing something?
- NayamAmarshe 2y ago
  Telegram has cloud encryption via MTProto 2.0. The servers use a distributed key generation mechanism.
Ylpertnodi 2y ago
Signal, too. I have 3 profiles set up that are basically 'notes to self'.

I use Telegram for that. Also good for taking notes or reminders for yourself without having to use a separate app.

sneak 2y ago

Telegram is not end to end encrypted, and thus not suitable for such uses due to insecurity.

NayamAmarshe 2y ago
Telegram has cloud encryption via MTProto 2.0. The servers use a distributed key generation mechanism.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- ffpip 2y ago
  Cloud encryption is just HTTPs + encryption at rest (only claimed, not verified). They hold the keys, irrespective of how many proprietary protocols they wrap over the message. A great product tho! I used saved messages extensively!
  - NayamAmarshe 2y ago
    > Cloud encryption is just HTTPs + encryption at rest Not just plain-old HTTPs. MTProto 2.0 is a whole encryption algorithm for Cloud chats: https://core.telegram.org/mtproto/AJiEAwIYFoAsBGJBjZwYoQIwFMAm/2-0 https://core.telegram.org/mtproto/AJiEAwIYFoAsBGJBjZwYoQIwFM...
    - ffpip 2y ago
      In the end, they hold the keys irrespective of how many algorithms they wrap on top. I do not feel it is any different from Google Chat, Twitter DMs, etc. They do have a lot of censorship resistant and anti-MITM attack features in between, but they hold the keys by default I use it for convenience and amazing features, not for security!

NayamAmarshe 2y ago

Same here! I use Telegram Saved Messages a lot! It's fast and very convenient. Telegram doesn't support markdown though, that's why I decided to build writedown.app

Renaud 2y ago

Are messages to self even safe on Telegram? Secret chats don’t work between the desktop client and the app, so I would suspect that, like the rest of the messages, everything is saved on telegram’s servers in the clear. Or am I missing something?

NayamAmarshe 2y ago
Telegram has cloud encryption via MTProto 2.0. The servers use a distributed key generation mechanism.

Ylpertnodi 2y ago

Signal, too. I have 3 profiles set up that are basically 'notes to self'.