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I agree. There seems to be a lot of frustration, even in the pro NATO American institutions, at the lack of output from Canada & European allies. South Korea a
by spacebanana7 2y ago
I agree. There seems to be a lot of frustration, even in the pro NATO American institutions, at the lack of output from Canada & European allies.
South Korea alone seems to have more military industrial ambition than either France or Germany.
- orwin 2y agoThe issue with France is that it compete with Us military industry not that it does not produce enough.
- resource_waste 2y agoI think the real issue with France is that they continue to pretend to be a super-power but they don't have the ability. So we hear their grand claims, and they never enforce it. This creates frustration in Europe because the leader of the European identity has a reputation of being a C student. (And no one seems to be ready to let Germany lead)
- spacemanspiff01 2y ago>And no one seems to be ready to let Germany lead Including the Germans.
- piloto_ciego 2y agoI mean, whats that bit from Norm McDonnell about how he’s still worried about the Germans, “it was basically them versus the world and it was kind of close!”
- htrp 2y agohttps://youtu.be/uXdtafGdIVM?si=Q0Di2LHqiuHzqyRR https://youtu.be/uXdtafGdIVM?si=Q0Di2LHqiuHzqyRR The stand-up comedy in question
- shiroiushi 2y agoBoth France and UK are former superpowers (really empires) that are now shadows of their former selves, but still refuse to accept the new reality (where "new" means ~80+ years old). The UK is arguably doing better at accepting reality than France though. French people really don't seem to understand why no one outside of France (or Quebec, or some colonies) speaks French these days.
- icegreentea2 2y agoSK is clearly punching up a lot and performing very well on the export market, but in real number terms, SK is still trailing both France and Germany in arms exports (though clearly SK appears to be trending upwards). It seems very likely to me that SK (~2% of global exports) can probably overtake Germany (~5%) relatively soon, but it's still quite a journey to get to France (~10%). https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-03/fs_2403_at_2023.pdf https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-03/fs_2403_at... French defense spending, strategy, and export has always been... less aligned with US interests. SK's recent resurgence in popular awareness is in part due to the alignment between Ukraine's situation and SK's situation (ie, artillery production). France's defense industry has been aligning towards French interests for the last few decades (ie, maintain high end halo products like Rafale, FREMM, and also have equipment suitable for expeditionary war in Africa). Similarly with SK... just that SK's situation involved huge amounts of artillery. Especially with the inclusion of Sweden and Finland, I think it is quite difficult to speak of a single "European NATO". I think there's a clear east-west split in terms how you hear American analysts speak of NATO. It's not really possible to criticize the activity of most of the eastern NATO countries.
- fmajid 2y agoIsn’t South Korea withholding weapons from Ukraine, though, notably artillery shells, at a time when North Korea is supplying Russia without reservations?
- tomohawk 2y agoIts against their law to export weapons to active combatants. They did do a deal where artillery shells needed in Ukraine were laundered through the US They are looking at changing their law.
- fmajid 2y agoI think the Czechs are also doing the whole triangular thing, but they don't have the financial muscle of the US.
- exabrial 2y agoGermany for sure. Even speaking to some "locals" last year, they're completely unconcerned with Russian aggression, as long as it wouldn't affect their daily lives. Marcon, at least, seems to get it though? I thought the words about the "end of abundance" were fairly spot on, though it does seem like he's pushing the ship himself.