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Reminder: the supposed greatness of induction stoves will be irrelevant to most people who would be forced to replace their gas stoves by some hypothetical ban;

Reminder: the supposed greatness of induction stoves will be irrelevant to most people who would be forced to replace their gas stoves by some hypothetical ban; induction stoves are substantially more expensive than traditional electric stoves and if people are made to prematurely replace an appliance most people will be going with the most economical option. The ban would be forcing people to use inferior stoves. And do you know what's cheaper than both? Fume extraction. If the kitchen fume threat warrants legislation, that legislation should specify air quality standards and not stove technology. If those air quality standards can be met by gas stoves with fume extraction, that should be permitted.

amanaplanacanal 3y ago
Are there places that are requiring replacing existing stoves? All I’ve heard about suggest banning gas in new construction.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  Traditional electric stoves are the most economical option in new construction as well. Mandating induction would drive up the cost of housing. "Just use induction" is this thread's "let them eat cake."
  - kergonath 3y ago
    What are you talking about? I can get a 3-spots induction cooktop at the shop across the street for €150, exactly the same price as a resistive electric one or a gas one.
    - lupusreal 3y ago
      To replace the gas stoves and oven combos found in most American homes that currently use gas, you're looking at a thousand dollars at the lowest. Most are several thousand dollars. Replacing a gas stove and oven with a low power (single phase 120V in America) induction hotplate would be a substantial downgrade. You also have to consider that many American kitchens that presently have gas will probably need an electrician to install two-phase power. Admittedly some will already have that, but in the homes built for gas it will be several hundred dollars (at least) just to get the wires put in.
      - orwin 3y ago
        But isn't induction only mandatory in newly constructed houses? In that case, how is this relevant?
        lupusreal 3y ago
        > Traditional electric stoves are the most economical option in new construction as well. Mandating induction would drive up the cost of housing. So realistically, working class people get left with inferior traditional electric stoves. The talk about gas bans being fine because induction is better anyway is a "let them eat cake" argument. HN is consistently out of touch with working class reality.
        orwin 3y ago
        Do you think installing gas in a new house is cheaper than an induction plaque? (Especially in areas where working class can afford newly built houses)?
tredre3 3y ago
> And do you know what's cheaper than both? Fume extraction. I suspect a cheap electric oven (400 bucks) is a lot cheaper than installing an entire venting system that, in many cases, will require drilling bricks and opening ceilings and walls.

amanaplanacanal 3y ago

Are there places that are requiring replacing existing stoves? All I’ve heard about suggest banning gas in new construction.

lupusreal 3y ago
Traditional electric stoves are the most economical option in new construction as well. Mandating induction would drive up the cost of housing. "Just use induction" is this thread's "let them eat cake."
- kergonath 3y ago
  What are you talking about? I can get a 3-spots induction cooktop at the shop across the street for €150, exactly the same price as a resistive electric one or a gas one.
  - lupusreal 3y ago
    To replace the gas stoves and oven combos found in most American homes that currently use gas, you're looking at a thousand dollars at the lowest. Most are several thousand dollars. Replacing a gas stove and oven with a low power (single phase 120V in America) induction hotplate would be a substantial downgrade. You also have to consider that many American kitchens that presently have gas will probably need an electrician to install two-phase power. Admittedly some will already have that, but in the homes built for gas it will be several hundred dollars (at least) just to get the wires put in.
    - orwin 3y ago
      But isn't induction only mandatory in newly constructed houses? In that case, how is this relevant?
      - lupusreal 3y ago
        > Traditional electric stoves are the most economical option in new construction as well. Mandating induction would drive up the cost of housing. So realistically, working class people get left with inferior traditional electric stoves. The talk about gas bans being fine because induction is better anyway is a "let them eat cake" argument. HN is consistently out of touch with working class reality.
        orwin 3y ago
        Do you think installing gas in a new house is cheaper than an induction plaque? (Especially in areas where working class can afford newly built houses)?

tredre3 3y ago

> And do you know what's cheaper than both? Fume extraction. I suspect a cheap electric oven (400 bucks) is a lot cheaper than installing an entire venting system that, in many cases, will require drilling bricks and opening ceilings and walls.