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This ignores the fact that societal norms affect your ability to live your life. As an extreme example, imagine trying to find a stable husband and raise a fam

by throwaway22032 2y ago

This ignores the fact that societal norms affect your ability to live your life. As an extreme example, imagine trying to find a stable husband and raise a family in a world in which every other woman treated sex as being valueless and beautiful women wandered the streets naked and giving it up to passers by. It might be intolerant to prefer a society that isn't like that, but that doesn't automatically make it bad. edit: Most of the responses here are missing the point because they're trying to take a side (in a deliberately fake, over the top scenario) rather than engaging with the concept. The behaviour of other people affects you and it's perfectly normal both to want to surround yourself with others who share your values, and to exert pressure to push wider society in that direction.

soco 2y ago
And in this discussion thread nobody labeled either these positions good or bad. However, if one believes being intolerant is bad, yet stays in their position while trying to rationalize it away, that's called cognitive dissonance.
jncfhnb 2y ago
Let’s all take a moment to appreciate the attempt of this post to draw empathy for women in a world where their utility as a sex object is diminished. How oh how will they ever find a partner without the primary source of their value???
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
That woman isn't owed a world where puritanism isn't on a steady centuries-long decline. She's owed tolerance to live the way she wants, and she owes others tolerance to live the way they want. She can prefer whatever she wants.
kamarg 2y ago
> As an extreme example, imagine trying to find a stable husband and raise a family in a world in which every other woman treated sex as being valueless and beautiful women wandered the streets naked and giving it up to passers by. Sounds easy enough as long as you consider men may have some motivation other than to have as much sex as possible.
jncfhnb 2y ago
> The behaviour of other people affects you and it's perfectly normal both to want to surround yourself with others who share your values, and to exert pressure to push wider society in that direction. In the same vein that it is perfectly rational for slave owners to push society to reject abolishing slavery. But rational self interest is a poor proxy for goodness.

soco 2y ago

And in this discussion thread nobody labeled either these positions good or bad. However, if one believes being intolerant is bad, yet stays in their position while trying to rationalize it away, that's called cognitive dissonance.

jncfhnb 2y ago

Let’s all take a moment to appreciate the attempt of this post to draw empathy for women in a world where their utility as a sex object is diminished. How oh how will they ever find a partner without the primary source of their value???

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

That woman isn't owed a world where puritanism isn't on a steady centuries-long decline. She's owed tolerance to live the way she wants, and she owes others tolerance to live the way they want. She can prefer whatever she wants.

kamarg 2y ago

> As an extreme example, imagine trying to find a stable husband and raise a family in a world in which every other woman treated sex as being valueless and beautiful women wandered the streets naked and giving it up to passers by. Sounds easy enough as long as you consider men may have some motivation other than to have as much sex as possible.

jncfhnb 2y ago

> The behaviour of other people affects you and it's perfectly normal both to want to surround yourself with others who share your values, and to exert pressure to push wider society in that direction. In the same vein that it is perfectly rational for slave owners to push society to reject abolishing slavery. But rational self interest is a poor proxy for goodness.