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The total number of deaths in all airplane crashes combined since 1970 is about as much as MRSA kills in 8 months of a typical year.

mjburgess 3y ago
I'm not sure what you think this shows. If we had an organization responsible and capable of preventing MRSA deaths, and was failing to do so, they'd be in prison at 8 million deaths. The issue here isn't how many deaths, it's whether boeing has a duty and capability to prevent them; whether it has failed to do so; and whether this failure has caused a systematic problem with its recent planes that could lead to more deaths. On all accounts it seems: yes, they've gutted product quality and it has lead to severe accidents.
- kube-system 3y ago
  I'm simply pointing out the relative frequency of these incidents, that's all. > If we had an organization responsible and capable of preventing MRSA deaths MRSA is known for spreading in hospital settings. Hospitals are supposed to prevent this from happening, but it is hard.
  - sxg 3y ago
    > Hospitals are supposed to prevent this from happening, but it is hard. Physician here. Hospitals do work to prevent the spread, and it is hard—so much so that it's nearly inevitable. MRSA is a naturally occurring part of the respiratory tract and skin. How do you stop that? Also important to note that those who do acquire and die from MRSA infections tend to be relatively ill to begin with. Usually those patients are admitted to the hospital for some other serious issue and then develop a MRSA infection either from their own body or the hospital. While you can mitigate the latter, you can't do anything about the former.
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    > relative frequency of these incidents Is about the same as frequency with which Putin kills his political opponents. [1]. So either frequency is not a very good way of judging criminal culpability and morality, or Putin is a great guy. https://www.newsweek.com/putin-critics-dead-full-list-navalny-1870692 https://www.newsweek.com/putin-critics-dead-full-list-navaln...
  - clankyclanker 3y ago
    …but, like drowning, plane crashes aren’t infectious. There might be something to your analogy if a crash in Boise caused everyone in town to come down with a plane to the head, but that’s not how that works so it’s kind of apples to oranges.
  - singleshot_ 3y ago
    I agree, preventing the spread of illness in a hospital sounds challenging. You know what isn’t very hard, is making sure nuts are on bolts instead of in the trash.
    - kube-system 3y ago
      I agree! And if Boeing can't manage to do that, they probably can't manage to surreptitiously assassinate people. Infectious disease is more than common enough on its own to explain this.
      - singleshot_ 3y ago
        Trapped by my own logic. Totally fair and also grounded in the article rather than slinging mud at Boing. Well put.
electric_mayhem 3y ago
So you’re saying there’s a tremendous allowance to be made for quality to diminish further before you feel like it’s a real problem?
- kube-system 3y ago
  No, I'm saying that this MRSA infection was likely natural. About 3 million Americans are MRSA carriers.
atlas_hugged 3y ago
While your point is perfectly valid, I think it should include fairer comparisons than infectious diseases. Most people don’t willingly participate in something that would risk MRSA, whereas many do fly. Not sure what a better comparison would be though. In this case, it would be something that includes: number of deaths or injury or near death (door flying off and potentially getting sucked out at 30000 ft) due to flying Boeing vs driving X number of miles in a car. This would be a similarly rare occurrence but would be nice to see the comparison between plane types.
- throwaway48476 3y ago
  Viruses tend to kill the old and the sick whereas plane crashes kill all equally.
reactordev 3y ago
You don’t find it concerning and possibly suspicious that both whistleblowers have died? The first one said “if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide”. Now this…
- kube-system 3y ago
  > The first one said “if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide”. That's what one of his female friends claimed he said. You don't think it's more likely that a grown man of the boomer generation might not be up-front about his mental health to his female friends? Meanwhile, others who were closer to him said he was having a tough time. And he was found in his own truck, shot with his own gun, with his hand on the trigger, and a note, across state lines from where he lived. And the responding investigators didn't report any signs of foul play. It's certainly a possibly, but the evidence just doesn't add up that way. As humans, our brains are wired to fall for the narrative fallacy, even when it isn't a good explanation.
  - sieabahlpark 3y ago
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Zenzero 3y ago
This is just juxtaposition of two completely unrelated things. The only relationship they have is an endpoint of death.

mjburgess 3y ago

I'm not sure what you think this shows. If we had an organization responsible and capable of preventing MRSA deaths, and was failing to do so, they'd be in prison at 8 million deaths. The issue here isn't how many deaths, it's whether boeing has a duty and capability to prevent them; whether it has failed to do so; and whether this failure has caused a systematic problem with its recent planes that could lead to more deaths. On all accounts it seems: yes, they've gutted product quality and it has lead to severe accidents.

kube-system 3y ago
I'm simply pointing out the relative frequency of these incidents, that's all. > If we had an organization responsible and capable of preventing MRSA deaths MRSA is known for spreading in hospital settings. Hospitals are supposed to prevent this from happening, but it is hard.
- sxg 3y ago
  > Hospitals are supposed to prevent this from happening, but it is hard. Physician here. Hospitals do work to prevent the spread, and it is hard—so much so that it's nearly inevitable. MRSA is a naturally occurring part of the respiratory tract and skin. How do you stop that? Also important to note that those who do acquire and die from MRSA infections tend to be relatively ill to begin with. Usually those patients are admitted to the hospital for some other serious issue and then develop a MRSA infection either from their own body or the hospital. While you can mitigate the latter, you can't do anything about the former.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  > relative frequency of these incidents Is about the same as frequency with which Putin kills his political opponents. [1]. So either frequency is not a very good way of judging criminal culpability and morality, or Putin is a great guy. https://www.newsweek.com/putin-critics-dead-full-list-navalny-1870692 https://www.newsweek.com/putin-critics-dead-full-list-navaln...
- clankyclanker 3y ago
  …but, like drowning, plane crashes aren’t infectious. There might be something to your analogy if a crash in Boise caused everyone in town to come down with a plane to the head, but that’s not how that works so it’s kind of apples to oranges.
- singleshot_ 3y ago
  I agree, preventing the spread of illness in a hospital sounds challenging. You know what isn’t very hard, is making sure nuts are on bolts instead of in the trash.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    I agree! And if Boeing can't manage to do that, they probably can't manage to surreptitiously assassinate people. Infectious disease is more than common enough on its own to explain this.
    - singleshot_ 3y ago
      Trapped by my own logic. Totally fair and also grounded in the article rather than slinging mud at Boing. Well put.

electric_mayhem 3y ago

So you’re saying there’s a tremendous allowance to be made for quality to diminish further before you feel like it’s a real problem?

kube-system 3y ago
No, I'm saying that this MRSA infection was likely natural. About 3 million Americans are MRSA carriers.

atlas_hugged 3y ago

While your point is perfectly valid, I think it should include fairer comparisons than infectious diseases. Most people don’t willingly participate in something that would risk MRSA, whereas many do fly. Not sure what a better comparison would be though. In this case, it would be something that includes: number of deaths or injury or near death (door flying off and potentially getting sucked out at 30000 ft) due to flying Boeing vs driving X number of miles in a car. This would be a similarly rare occurrence but would be nice to see the comparison between plane types.

throwaway48476 3y ago
Viruses tend to kill the old and the sick whereas plane crashes kill all equally.

reactordev 3y ago

You don’t find it concerning and possibly suspicious that both whistleblowers have died? The first one said “if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide”. Now this…

kube-system 3y ago
> The first one said “if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide”. That's what one of his female friends claimed he said. You don't think it's more likely that a grown man of the boomer generation might not be up-front about his mental health to his female friends? Meanwhile, others who were closer to him said he was having a tough time. And he was found in his own truck, shot with his own gun, with his hand on the trigger, and a note, across state lines from where he lived. And the responding investigators didn't report any signs of foul play. It's certainly a possibly, but the evidence just doesn't add up that way. As humans, our brains are wired to fall for the narrative fallacy, even when it isn't a good explanation.
- sieabahlpark 3y ago
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Zenzero 3y ago

This is just juxtaposition of two completely unrelated things. The only relationship they have is an endpoint of death.