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Are Japanese anime robots isometric or allometric?
- cicloid 3y ago*Excluding Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
- omoikane 3y agoRelated research: "Is the Great Attractor a Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?" https://jgeekstudies.org/2016/05/19/great-attractor-ttgl/ https://jgeekstudies.org/2016/05/19/great-attractor-ttgl/
- tetris11 3y ago> the act of throwing a single punch would take a few million years. It would take a few million years more for the pilot of this robot to find whether the punch hit the target or not. It would be a long fight. These practical questions will henceforth be disregarded here Brilliant
- kibwen 3y agoIt's possible that that scale image of robot size comparisons might actually depict Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, in the same sense that a photo taken by an electron microscope depicts our solar system.
- dclowd9901 3y agoKept looking for GL’s outlier dot in the super robot section, then figured the just left it out so as to not bastardize the results. For anyone OOTL, the show features robots at an intergalactic scale, such that the crew needs to invent FTL communications and travel just to communicate and move within the ship proper.
- stoperaticless 3y agoSearching for GL anime I get “girl love”, ehich seems unrelated to space or robots. Could you provide the full name of the show?
- Twisol 3y ago"Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann", from upthread; the GL is for "Gurren Lagann", which is how it's usually known.
- harry_ord 3y agoAnd gave us the infantitly large scope dog in games
- falsaberN1 3y agoOr Boss Borot vs Anti-Spiral.
- Hamuko 3y agoThe Gurren Lagann is only 12 metres in height though. Lagann is around the same height as Simon and Gurren is about nine metres on top (technically below) of that.
- Filligree 3y agoIt gets bigger.
- RhysU 3y agoEvangelion has robots...?
- tsujamin 3y agoHaving just finished watching evangelion rebuild today: it is definitely a robot anime
- xeonmc 3y agoattack on titan is also a mecha anime
- lain-dono 3y agodefinitely not. Titans are closer to summoned creatures. And they're not the product of technology. Otherwise, a fight between two pregnant women could be seen as a mech fight.
- YurgenJurgensen 3y agoShingeki no Kyojin is 100% a mecha anime. If you play Fur Elise on an electric guitar it doesn’t automatically become Rock’n’Roll, and making the giant robots out of meat does not change the fact trust SnK is full of mecha tropes, is structured like a mecha anime, and the characters treat the titans like vehicles.
- bmacho 3y agoDefinitely yes. It has nothing to do with summoned creatures, even remotely. > Otherwise, a fight between two pregnant women could be seen as a mech fight. No. You are missing the fact that in AoT the pilots pilot the mechas, and not just be there doing whatever embryos do.
- tipsydoo 3y ago>Otherwise, a fight between two pregnant women could be seen as a mech fight. I mean, when you consider what pregnancy does to an expectant mother, hormonally, and the lengths to which some will go to protect their unborn child... It's not an entirely implausible characterization. But speaking to AOT, specifically, it's real robot with some super robot/fantasy/Abrahamic text characteristics to allow for the setting. Despite the "summoning" aspect, practical considerations of when and how to employ titans, the political, social, and philosophical ramifications of their existence and use, and the fact that the story is ultimately a study of characters caught up in war and history and intrigue, all point to a solid mecha, real robot classification.
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- userbinator 3y agoThen, what is the heaviest movable machine of human civilization? The answer is aircraft carriers. The U. S. Navy Nimitz class aircraft carrier is one of the largest ships, and each ship is about 325 m long and 99,000 t heavy. Looks like some ships are a few times heavier than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_machines#Sea_vehicles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_machines#Sea_v...
- dexen 3y agoSurprisingly the difference isn't quite as it seems. There's an important distinction between mass of the vessel's own structure, the bare necessities like fuel, stores & crew, and its payload. Naval engineering and insurance talks several interrelated measures, for our purposes "light load displacement" is the closest to the weight of the bare structure, while "full load displacement" includes all typical stores, fuel, crew, and payload. Conversely the linked measures "gross weight tonnage" is measure of volume rather than mass, and less relevant for this discussion. For combat vessels like USS Gerald Ford, most of the weight is in the structure itself, and while we don't have exact measures for the carrier, it's about 100,000 tonnes. For reference, an older generation but comparable carrier USS Nimitz has structure of 78280 tons ("light load displacement"), and all up weight 101196 tons ("full load displacement"). However for transport vessels like the linked Seawise Giant, the structure is small part of all up weight. While the ship plus cargo can go up to 646,642 long tons ("full load displacement"), the structure itself is much lighter: 81,879 long tons ("light load displacement"). Also the linked cruise ship, Icon of the Seas, has impressively high "gross weight tonnage" but again that's measure of volume. The displacement is a bit hard to find, people quote variously 100,000t or 120,000t without being specific light load or full load. So while the cruise ship is much larger by volume than the military vessel, the weight of the structure is closely comparable. The later is much more densely packed - keeping size down is a necessity for any combat craft, even the largest ones.
- Forgeties79 3y agoI have nothing to add this was just so fascinating to read. Thanks for that!
- Animats 3y agoMecha seem to have disappeared from Japanese anime. Here's the anime list for Spring 2024.[1] [1] https://anichart.net/Spring-2024 https://anichart.net/Spring-2024
- spondylosaurus 3y agoWe got Gundam Witch last year :)
- Dalewyn 3y agoAnd Gundam SEED Freedom this January.
- creamyhorror 3y agoMecha was a 1960s-1980s war-inspired fascination that maybe, if anything, we should be surprised at the longevity of. We haven't really been getting that many giant robots or pilotable mechs in popular media outside of Japanese animation.
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- Aerroon 3y agoMecha is never going to disappear. Mecha are great for toy sales.
- harry_ord 3y agoI always felt like the big explosion was the 80s, not to say the 70s was unremarkable and the 90s just had a lot of really good stuff like turn A, Eva (I dislike it) and King of braves GGG
- isaacfung 3y agoThere is an upcoming Mech movie Atlas, starring Jennifer Lopez with a heavy Titanfall vibe.
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- hamilyon2 3y agoI thought the word "mecha" is used to describe devices which are operated by humans, like a Gundam. Essentially mecha is anthropomorphic tank. "Robot" is used to describe autonomous system, like Marvin or Laputian Robot Troopers
- YurgenJurgensen 3y ago“メカ” refers to any mechanical design. The artists who do “mecha” design in anime will do everything from guns to boats. The English term’s meaning changed when it was re-borrowed.
- RobotToaster 3y ago> The English term’s meaning changed when it was re-borrowed. Like the meaning of the term "anime" changed?
- Uvix 3y agoDepends on which borrowing you’re referring to. Japanese uses it like the original French to refer to anything animated, then it was changed when English borrowed it from Japanese to refer specifically to Japanese animation.
- numpad0 3y agoThe point is "mech/mecha" as in "biped humanoid machines" is en-US specific. In ja-JP and probably few others it's "robots". "Anime" is more widely understood.
- hnbad 3y agoBut then OP is correct: mecha/mech refers to humanoid bipeds. The Japanese word is not mecha but メカ (meka in romaji). EDIT: I'm being pedantic. When used in English, "mecha" or "mech" is an English word and the semantics associated with similar words in other languages don't really matter. Where it gets confusing is that it's used in the context of discussing Japanese media (and its foreign derivatives) in English. The reason I'm being pedantic is that my native language is German and not only have German loanwords in English often mutated in ways that trip up German native speakers (e.g. wanderlust is better translated as Fernweh, whereas Wanderlust is more about hiking and being in nature) but the same is true in the inverse, i.e. a lot of English loan words in German have different or narrower meanings than in English (e.g. a Burger is not a type of Sandwich as that specifically refers to a sandwich using white bread and a Hot Dog always includes the bread and topping/sauces whereas the hot dog is just a Wurst and ground beef is never referred to as sausage or burger).
- lloeki 3y agoArguably, while of alien making, the Macross flying fortress fits the "real robot" definition and seems to be miscategorised. By and large it's no different than your regular Imperial Star Destroyer except that it can transform to a humanoid form.
- Aeolun 3y ago> In contrast, Macross is very unrealistic because Macross is equal to a pile of 182 Nimitz class aircraft carriers in terms of mass. Is it? It's also 5 times longer (and presumably wider) than the Nimitz aircraft carrier. That would mean that Macross is only about 5-6x denser than the Nimitz aircraft carrier, which isn't entirely out of the realm of reason for a futuristic space battleship. If nothing else, having several tens of meters of dense matter between the innards and the outside where high energy photons are flying around sounds like a great idea. It was also originally meant to house creatures much larger than humans, which correspondent mass, so the structure of the ship would reflect that.
- mng2 3y agoThey do mention the origin story of Macross a few paragraphs up so it seems like an odd criticism. On the other hand, it's kind of neat to see that alien technology is an outlier according to their analysis.
- playingalong 3y agoInteresting choice of unit of reference. Admiral Chester Nimitz (who gave the name to USS Nimitz) was the one to sign the Japanese surrender in WW2.