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Is the hypothetical immigrant not also part of the labor class? What about their massively increased surplus through immigration? Restricted immigration doesn't
by sobellian 2y ago
Is the hypothetical immigrant not also part of the labor class? What about their massively increased surplus through immigration? Restricted immigration doesn't help the "labor class" at all except only as defined through a narrow nationalist lens.
- analognoise 2y agoNarrow nationalist lens? I'm an American laborer, of course I care more about what happens to American laborers than what happens to laborers from other places... they're my neighbors and countrymen?
- sobellian 2y agoIf someone immigrates here they will by definition become your fellow countryman (and possibly your neighbor too, depending on where they end up). I guess we just fundamentally disagree on who's worth consideration in this equation. I want to see people succeed no matter where they come from.
- analognoise 2y agoWe have a greater interest in preventing instability here by ensuring that those already here can find stable employment that provides a good wage and stability. I care about the success of my countrymen more than I do random people from wherever. I want people to succeed - in their home countries. That's fine, let them do that. I'm also a fan of legal immigration - you come here by the book, throw on the jersey, you're on the team. That's fine too. If you don't do that though, I'm not only not a fan but those people shouldn't be here.
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- sobellian 2y agoTimes are historically good here. To the extent immigration promotes instability it is not through economic malaise. If you're a fan of legal immigration, that's great - then certainly you agree that we ought to increase it rather than restrict it.