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My ex recently picked an apartment to rent. She's rich and they rent fancy places in $5000-$7000 range that's like 5x median rent in their city in Greece so can

My ex recently picked an apartment to rent. She's rich and they rent fancy places in $5000-$7000 range that's like 5x median rent in their city in Greece so can afford just about any place. She consistently rejected anything that had any sign of decor. "They have a goddamn Roman column in the house - what are you, an emperor? this is ridiculous!". Resulting place was high-tech minimalistic - basically a large empty space with nothing to catch the eye and very mild, bland colour scheme.

sandspar 3y ago
As Paul Fussell puts it in his book on class, the lower classes love "goop".
kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
Performative austerity.
pineaux 3y ago
I think it is because ornamentation feels out of place quickly in a world where ornamentation is scarce. If there is ornamentation everywhere, the ornamentation is natural. Like in a church. In a church the plain post modern clean design would look out of place. It would be shouting for attention. In some European churches you see this happening. Where you have a modern glass or minimalist pulpit. It just looks so out of place. I think many people dont understand this dynamic. It is about overal design. It is about attention attenuation. Its not that people think the lush baroque or a art deco designs are ugly as an individual piece. Its that they associate it with a certain aesthetic (that has also been butchered by tasteless people), then even when they see a beautiful piece of furniture or decoration. It seems out of place.
- philsnow 3y ago
  My house was built recently, and the modern aesthetic that builders are producing in my part of the country is very sterile, spare/spartan, gray, and open-concept. I currently intend to stay in this house until my kids are off, but I still have real estate searches going for the older neighborhoods a town over, because those houses have more character. What do I mean by "character"? I don't really know, I'm not a designer or architect, but I know what I like. They have wood flooring, but not the modern wood flooring with just identical 4" wide planks (and usually not even actual wood), I'm talking craftsmanship with patterns of different types and colors of wood. They have wood moulding, trim, and millwork around windows, doors, ceilings, and fireplaces. There are trees in those neighborhoods older than my parents. I sometimes think that I'd like to design some of those elements as upgrades to this house, but even if I had the money, time, and patience for the task, I don't have the mind for it. It would need to be a complete overhaul, because: > If there is ornamentation everywhere, the ornamentation is natural. Like in a church. > Where you have a modern glass or minimalist pulpit. It just looks so out of place. Even if I tried, I'm fairly sure the result would end up obviously-tacked-on (and thus tacky), looking like a dignified, stately older house in the same way the cybertruck looks like a pickup truck.

sandspar 3y ago

As Paul Fussell puts it in his book on class, the lower classes love "goop".

kevin_thibedeau 3y ago

Performative austerity.

pineaux 3y ago

I think it is because ornamentation feels out of place quickly in a world where ornamentation is scarce. If there is ornamentation everywhere, the ornamentation is natural. Like in a church. In a church the plain post modern clean design would look out of place. It would be shouting for attention. In some European churches you see this happening. Where you have a modern glass or minimalist pulpit. It just looks so out of place. I think many people dont understand this dynamic. It is about overal design. It is about attention attenuation. Its not that people think the lush baroque or a art deco designs are ugly as an individual piece. Its that they associate it with a certain aesthetic (that has also been butchered by tasteless people), then even when they see a beautiful piece of furniture or decoration. It seems out of place.

philsnow 3y ago
My house was built recently, and the modern aesthetic that builders are producing in my part of the country is very sterile, spare/spartan, gray, and open-concept. I currently intend to stay in this house until my kids are off, but I still have real estate searches going for the older neighborhoods a town over, because those houses have more character. What do I mean by "character"? I don't really know, I'm not a designer or architect, but I know what I like. They have wood flooring, but not the modern wood flooring with just identical 4" wide planks (and usually not even actual wood), I'm talking craftsmanship with patterns of different types and colors of wood. They have wood moulding, trim, and millwork around windows, doors, ceilings, and fireplaces. There are trees in those neighborhoods older than my parents. I sometimes think that I'd like to design some of those elements as upgrades to this house, but even if I had the money, time, and patience for the task, I don't have the mind for it. It would need to be a complete overhaul, because: > If there is ornamentation everywhere, the ornamentation is natural. Like in a church. > Where you have a modern glass or minimalist pulpit. It just looks so out of place. Even if I tried, I'm fairly sure the result would end up obviously-tacked-on (and thus tacky), looking like a dignified, stately older house in the same way the cybertruck looks like a pickup truck.