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Predicting the future isn't for Kurzweil

13 points by robg 18y ago

justindz 18y ago
This is a bit off-topic, but I really enjoyed William Gibson's Spook Country and especially was intrigued with the headsets used to overlay 3D renderings on locations via a GPS-enabled server. Ray Kurzweil talked about VR visors, but I think adding GPS massively increases the value of th eidea. I have since had several bursts of musing on locative art, entertainment and education (particularly history lessons).
- jodrellblank 18y ago
  One big downside would be the continual sending of your current location to a central server asking for local data. Location based services - only when I choose to switch them on for now, thanks.
pchristensen 18y ago
A very misleading title. Kurzweil's predictions are just the anecdotes leading to the main point: "Beware the conjunction fallacy - adding details to make something more persuasive but also less likely
jackchristopher 18y ago
A list of his predictions and some analysis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Raymond_Kurzweil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Raymond_Kur...
jimbokun 18y ago
"The typical American will have at least a dozen computers on his body, in the form of credit cards, rings and brooches. They'll be networked, and they'll get us through security checkpoints, monitor our vital signs, and provide GPS-style directions." As for getting us through security check points, since Kurzweil did not predict that terrorists would bring down the World Trade Center in 2001, he also did not predict that the main bottleneck in getting people through checkpoints would not be credentialing but having people take off their shoes and carefully inspecting them for...something or other. And checking for bombs in their shampoo. Devices for monitoring vital signs just did not happen, far as I know. As for the rest of the computers on our body, it seems people prefer to have one broadly capable device for information, computation, entertainment, and communication, which is the cellphone (with iPhone best exemplifying the ideal of a single device with a broad range of capabilities). Having to compare and buy lots of little communication doodads worn on different parts of the body would just be an irritant (damn, wore the wrong earrings today, the podcast i wanted to listen to was on the other set and don't feel like waiting for it download again...)
- raamdev 18y ago
  I agree with most of your points but I'd like to add that people seem to prefer one broadly capable device because of the nuisances attached to having multiple devices. If every piece of clothing came with invisible sensors that monitored our vitals and communicated them to, perhaps, a single hand-held device that we carry with us, I'm sure people wouldn't mind. As things get smaller and smaller, it's less about what you're carrying as it is about the functionality provided. Think Web 2.0. Fifteen years ago, something like GMail wouldn't make sense because Internet speeds and browsers were not advanced enough to handle such features, therefore people wouldn't even think to demand them. Think Virtualization. Even 10 years ago, laptops were too slow to handle a whole lot. Now I've replaced two desktops and a laptop with a single MacBook Pro laptop (Dual Core 2.4ghz, 4GB RAM, 320GB HD) and VMWare running Ubuntu and Windows XP. I'm no longer thinking hardware, but instead thinking about what I can do with all that power in one spot. If the technology existed to put podcasts on earrings and listen to them clearly, then I'm sure the technology would exist to wirelessly sync all your earrings so they all contain the same podcasts.
jimbokun 18y ago
"We'll be wearing computerized glasses that let us simultaneously view virtual images and the world around us." What about the dorkiness factor? Do non-nerds really want to walk around with virtual images in front of their face, 24x7? This exists: http://www.4hiddenspycameras.com/eyeglmo.html http://www.4hiddenspycameras.com/eyeglmo.html Know anyone who walks around with these? Would you think he was a dork if you did? Sometimes, the trouble for technologists trying to predict the future might not be understanding what's technologically possible, but understanding what people actually want.
- jodrellblank 18y ago
  This is going to happen. Not yet, because the benefits don't outweigh the dorkiness (and complexity). Don't think of it as in the link you posted - the 320x200 camera as seen in "True Lies", think of it as in Vernor Vinge's Rainbow's End or Stross's Manfred Max-with-the-silly-spelling. When it can look like an ordinary pair of glasses (or contacts), when it can process high resolution video on the fly and overlay onto it, when the supporting systems aren't a backpack full of hobbyist wire-tangle, when you can plug it into your iPhone and watch a film on it instead of using one of those portable DVD players, then they'll start turning up more and more. Like head-up on-windscreen displays are appearing in high end cars now.
jimbokun 18y ago
Here are the original comments: http://www.imminst.org/forum/My-Disappointment-at-the-Future-t17025.html http://www.imminst.org/forum/My-Disappointment-at-the-Future... I keep finding more predictions that are failed not because of technological limitations, but because they are technologies that people do not want. "Keybords still exist but most textual language is created by speaking." If I had perfect voice recognition set up right now on the computer I'm typing at, I would still use the keyboard. Copy paste is easier. Easier to hit "Enter" than say "linebreak" or something. I'm not even sure how much faster I can speak than I can type. If my office mate was still here, I wouldn't want to disturb him by speaking content meant for Hacker News (oops, just revealed that I'm on HN at work!). I wonder how bemused Kurzweil must be at the amount of time kids spend texting each other, compared to the amount of time spent actually speaking into their cell phone.

13 points by robg 18y ago

This is a bit off-topic, but I really enjoyed William Gibson's Spook Country and especially was intrigued with the headsets used to overlay 3D renderings on locations via a GPS-enabled server. Ray Kurzweil talked about VR visors, but I think adding GPS massively increases the value of th eidea. I have since had several bursts of musing on locative art, entertainment and education (particularly history lessons).

jodrellblank 18y ago
One big downside would be the continual sending of your current location to a central server asking for local data. Location based services - only when I choose to switch them on for now, thanks.

pchristensen 18y ago

A very misleading title. Kurzweil's predictions are just the anecdotes leading to the main point: "Beware the conjunction fallacy - adding details to make something more persuasive but also less likely

jackchristopher 18y ago

A list of his predictions and some analysis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Raymond_Kurzweil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Raymond_Kur...

jimbokun 18y ago

"The typical American will have at least a dozen computers on his body, in the form of credit cards, rings and brooches. They'll be networked, and they'll get us through security checkpoints, monitor our vital signs, and provide GPS-style directions." As for getting us through security check points, since Kurzweil did not predict that terrorists would bring down the World Trade Center in 2001, he also did not predict that the main bottleneck in getting people through checkpoints would not be credentialing but having people take off their shoes and carefully inspecting them for...something or other. And checking for bombs in their shampoo. Devices for monitoring vital signs just did not happen, far as I know. As for the rest of the computers on our body, it seems people prefer to have one broadly capable device for information, computation, entertainment, and communication, which is the cellphone (with iPhone best exemplifying the ideal of a single device with a broad range of capabilities). Having to compare and buy lots of little communication doodads worn on different parts of the body would just be an irritant (damn, wore the wrong earrings today, the podcast i wanted to listen to was on the other set and don't feel like waiting for it download again...)

raamdev 18y ago
I agree with most of your points but I'd like to add that people seem to prefer one broadly capable device because of the nuisances attached to having multiple devices. If every piece of clothing came with invisible sensors that monitored our vitals and communicated them to, perhaps, a single hand-held device that we carry with us, I'm sure people wouldn't mind. As things get smaller and smaller, it's less about what you're carrying as it is about the functionality provided. Think Web 2.0. Fifteen years ago, something like GMail wouldn't make sense because Internet speeds and browsers were not advanced enough to handle such features, therefore people wouldn't even think to demand them. Think Virtualization. Even 10 years ago, laptops were too slow to handle a whole lot. Now I've replaced two desktops and a laptop with a single MacBook Pro laptop (Dual Core 2.4ghz, 4GB RAM, 320GB HD) and VMWare running Ubuntu and Windows XP. I'm no longer thinking hardware, but instead thinking about what I can do with all that power in one spot. If the technology existed to put podcasts on earrings and listen to them clearly, then I'm sure the technology would exist to wirelessly sync all your earrings so they all contain the same podcasts.

jimbokun 18y ago

"We'll be wearing computerized glasses that let us simultaneously view virtual images and the world around us." What about the dorkiness factor? Do non-nerds really want to walk around with virtual images in front of their face, 24x7? This exists: http://www.4hiddenspycameras.com/eyeglmo.html http://www.4hiddenspycameras.com/eyeglmo.html Know anyone who walks around with these? Would you think he was a dork if you did? Sometimes, the trouble for technologists trying to predict the future might not be understanding what's technologically possible, but understanding what people actually want.

jodrellblank 18y ago
This is going to happen. Not yet, because the benefits don't outweigh the dorkiness (and complexity). Don't think of it as in the link you posted - the 320x200 camera as seen in "True Lies", think of it as in Vernor Vinge's Rainbow's End or Stross's Manfred Max-with-the-silly-spelling. When it can look like an ordinary pair of glasses (or contacts), when it can process high resolution video on the fly and overlay onto it, when the supporting systems aren't a backpack full of hobbyist wire-tangle, when you can plug it into your iPhone and watch a film on it instead of using one of those portable DVD players, then they'll start turning up more and more. Like head-up on-windscreen displays are appearing in high end cars now.

jimbokun 18y ago

Here are the original comments: http://www.imminst.org/forum/My-Disappointment-at-the-Future-t17025.html http://www.imminst.org/forum/My-Disappointment-at-the-Future... I keep finding more predictions that are failed not because of technological limitations, but because they are technologies that people do not want. "Keybords still exist but most textual language is created by speaking." If I had perfect voice recognition set up right now on the computer I'm typing at, I would still use the keyboard. Copy paste is easier. Easier to hit "Enter" than say "linebreak" or something. I'm not even sure how much faster I can speak than I can type. If my office mate was still here, I wouldn't want to disturb him by speaking content meant for Hacker News (oops, just revealed that I'm on HN at work!). I wonder how bemused Kurzweil must be at the amount of time kids spend texting each other, compared to the amount of time spent actually speaking into their cell phone.