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I suspect that this app uses Apples's leaked key for airplay encryption. In that case I would understand the rejection. I can't wait for the official explanatio

by js4all 14y ago

I suspect that this app uses Apples's leaked key for airplay encryption. In that case I would understand the rejection. I can't wait for the official explanation.

cbryan 14y ago
This. A thousand times.
- calinet6 14y ago
  Yep. It's a reverse-engineered protocol using a leaked encryption key. The developers had to know this wouldn't last forever.
cooldeal 14y ago
The fact that there is no reason given to the app developer for the rejection is a separate and bigger(IMO) problem here. >I can't wait for the official explanation Is there a guarantee of one? If the issue becomes a PR nightmare, maybe. Gruber would call this "Measure twice, cut once" and a good move by Apple.
- mikeash 14y ago
  What Gruber actually said about this is, "I can’t imagine what Apple would object to with this app, or why they wouldn’t provide Rogue Amoeba with a precise explanation before removing the app." Although I imagine if it was some company he didn't see favorably, he would probably go for your explanation rather than the one he actually posted for this.
  - fpgeek 14y ago
    I just realized that Rogue Amoeba isn't just a random company making iOS and Mac apps. They aren't even just a random company that Gruber likes. Rogue Amoeba is a past sponsor of Daring Fireball, including being the debut sponsor of the Daring Fireball RSS feed [1]. Given that, I'd be surprised if he'd said anything else. That doesn't mean what Gruber said here is wrong (I don't think it is), but that is important context nevertheless. [1] http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/regarding_df_feed http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/regarding_df_feed
    - MBCook 14y ago
      Rogue Amoeba is a long time Mac developer, known for making high quality software. I believe they have won a couple design awards from Apple. Even if you don't like Gruber, this could easily be a case of a well known Mac developer buying ads on a well known site in the Mac community.
tobiasbischoff 14y ago
exact. anything that uses the key that james laird extracted from the dumped Airport Express ROM will never stay long in the store.
lucian1900 14y ago
Even if that is the case, I'd say needing a central key for AirPlay is unethical in the first place since it unnecessarily locks out third parties.
- jacquesm 14y ago
  Funny how nobody else seems to notice this. That key is there for a reason, and one of those reasons apparently is anti-competitive behavior. Keys and other mechanisms like it are not usually used to increase customer service but to increase vendor lock-in and control of those users. It's all about creating a captive audience.
  - js4all 14y ago
    It is part of the DRM scheme. DRM requires end-to-end encryption to be effective. In this case it has nothing to do with a vendor lock-in. Using DRM is part of the deal with media partners and not Apple's decision.

by js4all 14y ago

I suspect that this app uses Apples's leaked key for airplay encryption. In that case I would understand the rejection. I can't wait for the official explanation.

cbryan 14y ago

This. A thousand times.

calinet6 14y ago
Yep. It's a reverse-engineered protocol using a leaked encryption key. The developers had to know this wouldn't last forever.

cooldeal 14y ago

The fact that there is no reason given to the app developer for the rejection is a separate and bigger(IMO) problem here. >I can't wait for the official explanation Is there a guarantee of one? If the issue becomes a PR nightmare, maybe. Gruber would call this "Measure twice, cut once" and a good move by Apple.

mikeash 14y ago
What Gruber actually said about this is, "I can’t imagine what Apple would object to with this app, or why they wouldn’t provide Rogue Amoeba with a precise explanation before removing the app." Although I imagine if it was some company he didn't see favorably, he would probably go for your explanation rather than the one he actually posted for this.
- fpgeek 14y ago
  I just realized that Rogue Amoeba isn't just a random company making iOS and Mac apps. They aren't even just a random company that Gruber likes. Rogue Amoeba is a past sponsor of Daring Fireball, including being the debut sponsor of the Daring Fireball RSS feed [1]. Given that, I'd be surprised if he'd said anything else. That doesn't mean what Gruber said here is wrong (I don't think it is), but that is important context nevertheless. [1] http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/regarding_df_feed http://daringfireball.net/2007/07/regarding_df_feed
  - MBCook 14y ago
    Rogue Amoeba is a long time Mac developer, known for making high quality software. I believe they have won a couple design awards from Apple. Even if you don't like Gruber, this could easily be a case of a well known Mac developer buying ads on a well known site in the Mac community.

tobiasbischoff 14y ago

exact. anything that uses the key that james laird extracted from the dumped Airport Express ROM will never stay long in the store.

lucian1900 14y ago

Even if that is the case, I'd say needing a central key for AirPlay is unethical in the first place since it unnecessarily locks out third parties.

jacquesm 14y ago
Funny how nobody else seems to notice this. That key is there for a reason, and one of those reasons apparently is anti-competitive behavior. Keys and other mechanisms like it are not usually used to increase customer service but to increase vendor lock-in and control of those users. It's all about creating a captive audience.
- js4all 14y ago
  It is part of the DRM scheme. DRM requires end-to-end encryption to be effective. In this case it has nothing to do with a vendor lock-in. Using DRM is part of the deal with media partners and not Apple's decision.