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Show HN: I made a privacy friendly and simple app to track my menstruation
Hey HN,
after the app I actually used to track my period wanted me to log in and save my data in the cloud, I decided to write my own.
Most apps in this area are based on a subscription model and display far too much information anyway.
For me, a simple calendar is enough where I can add a few notes if necessary.
So that is the result of my work - a simple design and the data is only saved on the smartphone.
- maremoiselle 2y agoLooks great, I wanna use it! Could you add a feature to import data from other apps tho? Clue for example has it stored in zip files so it'd be cool if I could import that directly. Thanks in advance!
- lionkor 2y agoThat's awesome, thank you! So many of the existing women's health related apps are creepy like that (cloud).
- stormqueen 2y agoThanks!
- fransjorden 2y agoVery good! These apps are really valuable in a world where many of these apps get really bloated
- ThrowawayTestr 2y ago[flagged]
- gary_0 2y agoTo help drive home the privacy angle, you might consider open-sourcing it and also making it available on F-Droid. Also, why does it say "in-app purchases"? If this is a simple calendar I don't see why any purchasable extras should be necessary. (While many in the HN crowd lack the requisite equipment to make use of your project, we do have girlfriends, wives, sisters, and daughters who might benefit from a privacy-respecting app like this.)
- gowld 2y agoWhat's the status of trustworthy reproducible build systems for deploying open source code to apps on Android?
- 1oooqooq 2y agowell, zero. just like apple. since there's no convenient way for the user the validate anything they are installing other than "the app store said so"
- sodality2 2y agoThis is a response to a question of Google Play’s reproducibility which is moot because of the distribution mechanism. *Android* in general does have reproducibility especially from third party repos like F-droid.
- 1oooqooq 2y agocorrect. sadly fdroid usage is close to zero. and even there verification requires adb hacks and very expert users, even for basic hash checking.
- kevincox 2y agohttps://f-droid.org/docs/Reproducible_Builds/ https://f-droid.org/docs/Reproducible_Builds/ I think Signal also does this for their Android app. I'm not sure of much else in this space.
- RIMR 2y agoThe in-app purchases are a dealbreaker. Not only is there no reason for it, but it necessitates the integration of Google Play Services. If the goal was to be privacy-centric, it already fails at that for this alone. And if the goal was to profit off of women's need for privacy-centric period tracking, then there is absolutely no reason not to find a proper FOSS alternative that cares about its users more than making passive income for the developer.
- simple10 2y agoWell done! It's great to see more female developers building apps for women. I agree with other commenters that you'd get a lot of mileage out of open sourcing it and doubling down on the privacy / local storage angle. It would help you get press coverage if you want to grow the user base.
- sshine 2y ago> you'd get a lot of mileage out of open sourcing it I’m not sure. Maintaining an open source project requires even more time than a closed source project. You can have a community-oriented closed source project, too. > and doubling down on the privacy / local storage angle Yeah!
- beeboobaa3 2y agoThere's a difference between open sourcing and "maintaining an open source project". Realistically most open source android apps do not receive many, if any, contributions from outsiders. Being open source does however signal the app isn't likely to become a paid shitfest.
- whstl 2y agoHosting the source code outside of Github/Gitlab/etc is enough to make maintenance easier already.
- freedomben 2y agoExactly. I wish people would get over this idea that the only two options are closed source or setup and maintain a vibrant community of contributors. It's perfectly fine to just put the code on github and never look at it again. If you're willing to take an additional 30 seconds to be honest in the README.md about your intentions, even better. Code doesn't have to be perfect to be open.
- simple10 2y agoOpen sourcing would just be a PR tactic IMO. Since it's all local storage anyway, there shouldn't be many security maintenance issues. I just think it gives a nice story angle for bloggers and tech press. But agreed, trying to build an active open source project with a community around it is a whole other ballgame and likely not worth the trouble.
- kristianp 2y agoThis is cool, I always thought ovuview was a little too public, with its notifications. Are you planning on features that track likely ovulation time for fertility purposes?
- stormqueen 2y agoI'm not planning on that at the moment. The next feature is a graphical representation of the period duration. But I added this on my list
- d--b 2y agoCongrats! Adding 2 cents here: my wife only used a menstruation tracker when we were trying to conceive. Having the app predict/notify the ovulation day was useful.
- LouisSayers 2y agoThe opposite can also be true - at least for knowing the relative risk of getting her pregnant.
- fred_is_fred 2y ago[flagged]
- infodrop157293 2y agoWith most other apps they wouldn't even have to, police buy it from data brokers.
- grey_earthling 2y agoIf you want to avoid Google, F-Droid also has options: https://search.f-droid.org/?q=period https://search.f-droid.org/?q=period
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- infodrop157293 2y agoOther options that are open source include: drip. https://dripapp.org/ https://dripapp.org/ Bluemoon https://gitlab.com/ngrob/bluemoon-android https://gitlab.com/ngrob/bluemoon-android https://www.nilsgrob.ch/work/bluemoon https://www.nilsgrob.ch/work/bluemoon Periodical https://arnowelzel.de/en/projects/periodical https://arnowelzel.de/en/projects/periodical Log28 https://github.com/wildeyedskies/log28 https://github.com/wildeyedskies/log28
- russdill 2y agoSorry to hijack a bit here, but have any good links to open source baby tracking apps that allow sharing between partners? The popular options out there on the app stores are a privacy dumpster fire.
- infodrop157293 2y agoNo experience but Alternativeto.net might help. The sharing part makes that a little less common.
- warunsl 2y agoI used this for our newborn recently and was very impressed with how flawlessly the partner sharing worked - https://mangobaby.app https://mangobaby.app It is not open source. But didn't look suspicious like the other apps on the store. The privacy labels on the iOS App Store seemed acceptable too (for us).
- sshine 2y agoI’d recommend FindMy, but it only works for iBabies.
- andrewfromx 2y agotell me about it. And I can never Green text bubbles from my droid baby.
- sphars 2y agoIf you're up for self-hosting, there's BabyBuddy[0]. There's no first-party native app, but it is a decent web app and there's some third-party apps/integrations. And of course, multiple users is a priority. No affiliation, just a user :) [0]: https://github.com/babybuddy/babybuddy https://github.com/babybuddy/babybuddy
- politelemon 2y agoI think it's such a great name, simple and endearing. Thanks for sharing it I'll be sure to have a look.
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- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoPlanned Parenthood produces one too https://www.plannedparenthooddirect.org/spot-on-period-tracker https://www.plannedparenthooddirect.org/spot-on-period-track...
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- saagarjha 2y agoWhy do you think using vi to write data to disk makes it any more private?
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y agoWell, it does have the advantage of being FOSS, extensively reviewed by many eyes, and known to not send any data off-device. It also has the advantage of already existing and being packaged for most platforms already. I've used vi(m) plus a little awk for ex. calorie counting because it's already there and I'm not a software developer. That's not to say that it's a good choice, necessarily, just that it does have advantages. Something about the best tool is the one you have....
- satchlj 2y agoIt would be awesome to have a temperature tracker here as well.
- curious_cat_163 2y agoThe comments on this post are interesting: 1. Some insist that the source code be made public. 2. Some insist that there be no in-app purchases. 3. Some insist that there be no analytics whatsoever. Each of the above has some legitimate reason. However, do privacy-focused apps need to play by different set of rules? If so, what special monetization models would make sense to folks on here? #AskingForAFriend
- rajamaka 2y agoProbably some sort of donation model that would result in a coffees worth of money for a 100 hours of work.
- keepamovin 2y agoI don't know, I think shotgun-style generalized criticism that doesn't always apply (or 'applies' but comes from a place of 'everything-should-be-free-entitlement' which is toxic to indie creators) is pretty standard fare for Show HNs. Not good, to be sure! But to be expected haha :)
- manicdee 2y ago- Patreon if what you're doing lends itself to regular updates - PayPal or other payment processor if your project could use donations - Subscription based Server As A Service for things that need data syncing between multiple platforms (eg: the public/client parts can be Free Software, the server part just exposes an API, and you make it clear what data is transmitted to the server remaining solely on the user's device) - Consultancy to assist with installation/training if your product is complex
- sevagh 2y agoMenstruation consultant
- MBCook 2y agoI don’t have experience with the Android App Store, but normal subscriptions/IAP/initial purchase on iOS would protect the user info during purchases. Apple tells you nothing about the user. You can choose to give them a UUID that they’ll echo back when you query their API about the subscription/transaction, but that’s up to you. Apple will not give a name, email, Apple ID, phone number, location, or anything else. See the data here: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appstoreserverapi/jwstransactiondecodedpayload https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appstoreserverapi/...
- saagarjha 2y ago(Unfortunately, like most people here, I can’t actually speak to the experience using this app. Sorry.) That said I think you have a duplicated set of screenshots (maybe an old set?) that you might want to clean out.
- it_learnses 2y ago[dead]
- dublinben 2y agoFor anyone on iOS, there is a cycle tracker built into the Apple Health app, so no third party app needed. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210407 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210407
- metadat 2y ago[flagged]
- sattoshi 2y agoThis isn't targeted at OP. Sharing options doesnt mean that you shouldn't use the one this thread is about.
- metadat 2y agoA valid point, I guess it rubs me wrong when the top reply is a negative comment about someone creating something themselves. It isn't nice or even necessarily valid. Lots of founders could've been torn down at this early phase by crap like this. My hypothesis: They need much more sun and water.
- fastball 2y agoThe alternative proposed is for an entirely different platform than the OP app, so this seems like the perfect place for it.
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- tonymet 2y agoGreat work and not to hijack – are there catalogs of “privacy focused” apps that don’t collect data or make remote requests? I would love a “ Kosher” badge like OU that tells me it’s a simple app (like yours) that provides utility without snooping
- sphars 2y agoUsing resources like F-Droid can help you find open source apps, which generally speaking, are very privacy friendly. I believe admittance into the default F-Droid repo doesn't allow trackers at all. Certain alternative front ends to the F-Droid repos, like Neo Store, can display privacy "scores" for individual apps. There's also many groups that produce privacy-friendly apps, such as SECUSO[0] and Fossify[1] [0]: https://github.com/SecUSo https://github.com/SecUSo [1]: https://github.com/FossifyOrg https://github.com/FossifyOrg
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- inreverse 2y agoWhen I was on Android I looked for a period-tracking app but could only find cloud-based ones, so I didn't track my period for many years. Appreciate you.
- oksteven 2y agothis app make me think of my lady, it might be useful for her
- nomilk 2y agoAre the use cases for period tracking: 1. helps planning (e.g. same way a weather app helps decision making around when to do / not do various activities), and 2. improves accuracy of estimating whether conception may have occurred (vs not tracking). Are these correct; are there others?
- jeffheard 2y agoIf you’re regular and become irregular, it’s often a sign that something is off, or if you’re into middle age, that your body’s hormone balance is changing. In either case it’s something to pay attention to and maybe mention to your doc next time you see them.
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- entwife 2y agoUse cases: health indicators, avoiding conception, achieving conception, and accurate pregnancy dating. A well developed period tracking system with a long history is the Creighton Method. Briefly, individuals are trained person-to-person to collect consistent, reliable repeatable data. This can be compared between users, and has many uses. However, the data collection is inconvenient or in some cases impossible, and they will only train married women.
- badcppdev 2y ago> and they will only train married women. Who is 'they'? I'm going to have to dive into google aren't I? Edit: Ok. Returned from rabbit hole. They = religious types who have thoughts about conception and contraception.
- cthulhus_crocs 2y agoJust switched from Clue, thank you so much for creating this :) I love the simplicity and export feature
- stormqueen 2y agoThanks - that was my previous app too ;)
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- KronisLV 2y agoAs a counterpoint to the sibling commenter, who seems intent on being negative: good job, I hope that the app is useful for plenty of folks!
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- ARandomerDude 2y agoI just use a calendar with a code word. Nobody but me needs to know what it means and I don’t have to use a 3rd-party app.
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- vsnf 2y ago> ctrl-f > "repub" > 1 result It's just you sewing discord in here. It'd be great if you'd stop, thanks.
- kylebenzle 2y agoThe WHOLE POINT of this app and this post is the abortion ban in some states in the US, otherwise this topic or app would never come up. We can pretend we are all idiots but lets be intellectually honest about what this post is about. Now, is it a valid fear that white conservative males are trying to obtain period tracking app data so they can persecute young women having abortions? I personally don't think so, which makes this app and this whole discussion moot.
- freedomben 2y ago> The WHOLE POINT of this app and this post is the abortion ban in some states in the US Citation needed. Dev's website is in German, so I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't even know about "some states in the US" abortion bans. > We can pretend we are all idiots but lets be intellectually honest about what this post is about. intellectual honesty includes providing some reason/backing for your assertions. I agree, let's be intellectually honest.
- sizzle 2y agoIsn’t this feature built into the HealthKit stuff in iOS?
- moooo99 2y agoJust to be pedantic about it, the app is just called health or Apple Health. HealthKit is the SDK that allows other developers to interface with the Apple Health App. But yeah, it’s available in Apple health, which may be a reason why this is an Android App on Google Play.
- vidyesh 2y agoCongrats on the launch! Since this is on Google Play Store I want to ask why is it not viable with user's consent to just sync app data with your own(user's) Google account? I understand (and support) the reluctance to register and save data in some third party server which likely will use or sell your data but isn't app data in your Google Account very safe? Google App Backup is basically storing user data in their own Google Drive Account, and is more like a sqlite dump isn't it? https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/backup https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/backup And as many suggested, you should consider listing it on F-Droid too if your app requires no account at all. Good luck!
- stormqueen 2y agoThanks! The backup feature is already on my roadmap to offer it as an optional feature - but since you can manually import and export your data, it's not a high priority yet. F-Droid may be an option - but for now the project is not open source. so I think that's not possible
- alimbada 2y agoI may be wrong but I don't think your app needs to be open source to publish it on F-Droid. Edit: Sorry, seems I was wrong [1] but you can host your own F-Droid repository which can be added to F-Droid by users to install your app from. https://forum.f-droid.org/t/non-open-source-apps-are-allowed/1221/2 https://forum.f-droid.org/t/non-open-source-apps-are-allowed...
- earthling8118 2y agoI'd argue that it's a falsehood to call a closed source application privacy friendly.
- bee_rider 2y agoYou would? How?
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- faizmokh 2y agoIs it US specific? I got "Not Found" error when I clicked on the link.
- aembleton 2y agoWorks in the UK
- freedomben 2y agoDev's website is in German, so I'm guessing it's not US specific
- grepLeigh 2y agoI'll check this out! The Fitbit tracker I use is routinely off on cycle start/end notifications, even though I'm on a 21/7 birth control cycle. I have to edit the "smart" cycle predictions every few months when they start diverging.
- tgv 2y agoAlso: fitbit is owned by Google, if I'm not mistaken, so privacy is an afterthought at best.
- xandrius 2y agoI actually built a simple one (also for Android) as there wasn't anything easy out there. One thing that my gf wanted as additional features was the possibility to also track mood (I let her choose among 5 ranges of emojis) and add tags to each day: for example she can create a tag "pains" and set if she had cramps a day or not. All that can be expected to csv/xslx for her own analysis. If you add these features, I'll recommend this app to her instead :) Also my app has a minimum SDK 20, so it works with her ancient phone.
- stormqueen 2y agoMy app needs a minimum sdk 19. So at least that would fit. But to be honest: I don't think I'll add those features in the near future. The mood tracking is already on the feature list. But the one with the tags.... I write it down to evaluate it. Also you can export the data - but that will result in a json file - not a csv
- xandrius 2y agoCool! I'll keep an eye, if you don't it's ok, it keeps my own app viable :P
- kylebenzle 2y ago[dead]
- mensetmanusman 2y agoIt's a healthy habit to identify hidden stressors (bad relationships, too much drinking, etc.)
- freedomben 2y agoIs your app open source? Could really use something like this and only need something simple. To me the most important feature is open source (for privacy and longevity).
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- sillysaurusx 2y agoI’d like to post a different sort of off-topic comment. As someone who’s married to a brilliant programmer and has a daughter almost a year old, thank you for showing a public example of simply being a woman in tech. We don’t plan on shoving our daughter in front of an editor from a young age — we have no expectations of her, and she’s free to be whoever she wants to. But one reason my wife didn’t get into programming till her mid 20s was that there weren’t any examples of people like herself doing it. It didn’t occur to her that she might have a talent for it, or even enjoy it. It’s a bit like a man not realizing he might be a great dancer, simply because most dancers are women, and so he never explores the question. I guess I’m just grateful you’re tipping the scales in the other direction. The work doesn’t need to be anything spectacular or solve all the world’s problems; solving your own problems with code is the essence of hacking. I hope that our daughter Kess grows up in a world filled with many more people like yourself. I went back and forth about whether to even post this, for obvious reasons. But ultimately I have no way of thanking you other than this, and it meant a lot to me to see your work on the front page. I hope you have a wonderful week, and that your project achieves everything you were hoping for.
- stormqueen 2y agoThank you for your positive comment. I really appreciate that – the topic of women in the tech industry is particularly close to my heart! I wish you and your family all the best – you made my day :)
- sillysaurusx 2y agoI was honestly terrified to post it. I didn’t want to cause you any problems (e.g. if the replies turned into a dumpster fire) or any weirdness (it’s really hard to strike a balance between saying everything you want to, and not being overbearing about it). It’s a relief that the message made it to you and brightened up your day a bit more. All the best to your family as well — we hope to have two one day too.
- freedomben 2y agoI debated saying something like this too because I've had it backfire, but in a way I didn't expect. My daughter was excited to go to a coding camp with me, until several people (not all at the same time) each stopped to praise her for being a girl, and me for bringing my daughter. Everyone truly had the best of intentions, but the unfortunate impact was it gave her a bunch of attention that she didn't want, and only served to raise her awareness of how few girls there were. It made her feel more like a misfit and an alien. Afer she realized that it wasn't "normal for a girl to do coding," she didn't want to go anymore. That was a hard and heartbreaking lesson for me. I don't know if it's even applicable outside of my circle, but figured I'd mention it in case it's helpful to others who are trying to create a warm/welcome/inclusive environment. Since then I basically just try to "act normal." It's a hard problem.
- franky47 2y agoGreat work! I've been following Benedicte Raae [1] for a while, who built an end-to-end encrypted period tracking web app [2]. Also agree with other voices here: open-source (or at least open distribution via f-droid) would help building trust in the product. [1] https://twitter.com/raae https://twitter.com/raae [2] https://github.com/raae/pow-app https://github.com/raae/pow-app
- bluebird88 2y agoI love this! I created a digital watch that also tracks your cycle with no app (Immi Watch) - basically, we added extra screens that tell you key info about your cycle (what day you're on, when your next period is due to start, avg cycle length). I had really similar pain points to you, just wanted something simple and private. We're actually now doing a desktop version of what you've done! Would be amazing to connect, I love that there's more innovations in this space to meet different women's preferences :)
- stormqueen 2y agoNice to hear - I googled your watch and wrote you a DM on instagram
- ntaso 2y agoGreat idea, especially since many popular cycle tracking apps have a bad rep of sharing data eagerly with Facebook and other entities. One thing though: I know it's popular in these apps to show the cycle as a "clock face", but if you think about it, this is a weird representation, because of the variations in cycle lengths (of natural cycles not changed by contraceptive hormones). So, if one cycle is 26 days long and the next cycle is going to be 30 days long, the clock face will show an average of 26 days for the next cycle and the handle looks stuck "5 minutes before 12" and every day, the handle doesn't tick one further, but the unit (day) becomes more compressed. This makes comparing cycles unintuitive and suggests that natural cycles always have the same length. In reality, the majority of women have fluctuations of 8 days or more in their cycle's lengths per year.
- stormqueen 2y agoYeah - you are right. But I like it that I can see how many days are left - even if it's not 100% correct and I get stuck at "5 minutes before 12" because then I see that it can appear every time. Maybe I'll add an option for another representation... something like the commit graph in github (don't know the name...) That would be nice too. To compare the cycle length there is an extra statistic section. I want to add a graph there to make the fluctuations more clear.
- davidguetta 2y agoOptions / customizations is often the way the go
- kentbrew 2y agoDo you mean the contributions-in-the-last-year block at the bottom of your user profile? I can see that being a good alternative to the monthly clockface, because it's broken out by weeks and not months. Color intensity might be useful when you get around to tracking things like mood.
- stormqueen 2y agoYes, thats what i meant. I will definetly Play around with that idea..
- fyt2024 2y agoAre you male or female?
- anArbitraryOne 2y agoLady Log sounds more like a poop tracker, but I only say that because I'm a shitposter. Rock on. I hope you make a smart menstural cup that does automatic logging and other measurements while maintaining privacy.
- sgt 2y agoLog Lady would be better. Yeah, lady log sounds like a different kind of log.
- w4ffl35 2y agoExcellent job. I'm a huge advocate of offline first, privacy forwards apps - consider open sourcing and making it fully offline.
- Vinnl 2y agoAh that's great, because that's a category of apps that's not doing great in terms of privacy: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/reproductive-health/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categor... (And unfortunately this is also fairly sensitive data in some regions...)
- fransje26 2y ago[flagged]
- chrisjj 2y ago> For me, a simple calendar is enough where I can add a few notes if necessary. Sounds like paper would suffice. The risk of data leaking via the cloud is near zero.
- SamBam 2y agoHow is this comment helpful? Obviously the developer created the app because there was also a benefit of it being on their phone, but that hardly seems necessary to spell out.
- vlugorilla 2y agoGood, it's great to have alternativew in this space. My gf uses Drip [1] and it's a very good app for this, it allows to also track mood, sexual activity, aches, etc... 1: https://gitlab.com/bloodyhealth/drip https://gitlab.com/bloodyhealth/drip
- 082349872349872 2y agoone of the hypotheses regarding the Ishango Bone* is that it might have been a 20'000 year old tracker (physical notches being fairly private as records go) * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishango_bone#Astronomical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishango_bone#Astronomical
- davidjhall 2y agoGreat work! Noone's asked yet? What was your dev stack?
- coldtrait 2y agoThis is neat. I'm going to try this out. I have to admit though I do cloud sync on my existing app because it's convenient in case I switch devices. I favor convenience over privacy in this case. Do you have a system for when switching devices or is it just as simple as copying the backup data into the new device?
- stormqueen 2y agoYes, you can export and import the data in the app
- jroseattle 2y agoI really like your on-device storage approach. I did something similar with an app for my smartwatch a few years ago to prompt/track my gym workouts. At the time and on the particular platform, other apps felt very spammy/scammy, and I just didn't care to go through the hassle of pushing/pulling my data with another application for what seemed like little to no value to me. I haven't touched it in a while, but I've been thinking of a sync-to-another-device capability that I could then use with a locally-running AI instance to dig into. (Disclaimer: this is purely exploratory on my part; I'm sure someone will say 'why not do so-and-so'). As always, your mileage may vary. :-)
- Irickole 2y agoMy girlfriend thanks you!
- smeej 2y agoThis looks great! I'm curious what your roadmap looks like too! There are so many great ways to understand our fertility, not just our periods, by tracking things like cervical mucus and basal body temperature, which can not only help us get more reliable predictions about when bleeding will start (almost always the same number of days after ovulation, though the days between the start of bleeding and ovulation can vary a lot), but also have better data for health practitioners to sort out how our hormonal health is! It's not necessarily easy to find practitioners who know how to interpret the data, but they're out there, and having a good way to collect it and share it with them is a key part of the process!
- atoav 2y agoVery cool, I tried to find good software foe this a few years prior when my girlfriend asked me about these menstrual tracking android apps and there was a distinct lack of good options, woth clear information on how private data was handled — most software looked actively shady. I am going to check it out.
- rlhf 2y agoIt's really happy to see more female developers building apps for women. Hope for more apps in the future.
- sandbach 2y agoWhile this is obviously very much a minority concern, there are trans men who have periods and might be put off by the name of this app.
- nektro 2y agonice work and congrats on the launch!
- RamiAwar 2y agoWhy not open source if it's truly private?
- cchi_co 2y ago[dead]