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Would be great to see a comparison to some better known alternatives like - Dokku [0] - CapRover [1] [0] https://dokku.com/ https://dokku.com/ [1] https://c

Would be great to see a comparison to some better known alternatives like - Dokku [0] - CapRover [1] [0] https://dokku.com/ https://dokku.com/ [1] https://caprover.com/ https://caprover.com/

rcarmo 2y ago
I should add one to https://piku.github.io https://piku.github.io (spoiler - this doesn't use Docker at all)
- josegonzalez 2y ago
  Dokku Maintainer here: Piku is awesome! I've always thought the PaaS space is wide enough for many players in specific niches, and I love the approach of running processes outside of containers. About the only thing I would change is to utilize systemd (or similar) for spawning processes, but otherwise it's super neat. I've used it myself on a raspberry pi zero :)
  - rcarmo 2y ago
    Thanks! systemd would require more coding, because uwsgi does a lot automatically just by watching file creation/modification…
huodon 2y ago
+ https://coolify.io/ https://coolify.io/
- raybb 2y ago
  I've been using coolify for all my apps for like 6 months or so now. I gotta say it's pretty impressive how well it works and the dev is quite responsive. I hope he can make it financially viable for himself. It's still a little rough around the edges but quickly getting polished up.
hcaz 2y ago
+ https://easypanel.io/ https://easypanel.io/
- udev4096 2y ago
  This seems nice but looks like it's closed source?
scirob 2y ago
I'v tried these two and must say "it works out of the box" is only true maybe 50% of the time you try to deploy on them
- nativeit 2y ago
  I’ve been using Caprover for years, and haven’t experienced anything like your reported rate of failure.
  - febeling 2y ago
    I can vouch for Dokku being equally very reliable and surprise-free to use.
- josegonzalez 2y ago
  Dokku Maintainer here. I think myself - and folks maintaining other open source projects! - would love to hear feedback about what works/what doesn't. Feel free to reach via email (its in my profile) if you want, or our Discord/Slack. I typically see users struggle with an initial deploy because their app depends on some variable or service running and that wasn't taken into account. This is pretty much the same as for general CI, where one might go through several commits before CI is running as you expect. Very unfortunately, detecting these pain points requires work from both platform maintainers _as well as_ framework owners. The reason rails apps deployed so nicely across PaaS services in the past is because the Rails developers spent a ton of time ensuring applications _could_ do 12 Factor, while most PaaS services spent a ton of time working towards those constraints. Consequently, deploying other services that don't conform to this standard is a bit more difficult (though usually still possible).
schappim 2y ago
+ https://hatchbox.io https://hatchbox.io
- josegonzalez 2y ago
  Dokku Maintainer here: Hatchbox is pretty cool, but not OSS - also doesn't use Docker IIRC if thats something you were looking for. There's certainly something to be said about managed services though. For folks that don't mind managing their infra, OSS systems allow customizations and extensions that you wouldn't see from a managed service, but you potentially trade that for reliability guarantees and general maintenance. With Dokku for instance, I see folks go quite a while without upgrading - potentially causing issues when they do, but mostly making it so they miss out on features and bug fixes. For managed services like Hatchbox, you get that for free, but then the system might change underneath at a cadence you're unhappy with.
woudsma 2y ago
It seems similar to https://swarmlet.dev https://swarmlet.dev as well (I’m the author). I’ve since abandoned the project for different reasons. Currently I’m using Dokku, and have been using it for ~8 years. It’s a lovely project and pretty mature. I would recommend Dokku to anyone who wants to do (cheap) self-hosting!
- pawurb 2y ago
  Same. Dokku has worked seamlessly for me for 6+ years now!
- AntonyGarand 2y ago
  Same here: I've been hosting two dozen services on Dokku for a side-project in the past few years and it's been working flawlessly! Dokku and a Hetzner server makes hosting very easy
worldsayshi 2y ago
I'm a bit down the kubernetes rabbit hole right now so I'm biased. Wouldn't it be better to have these solutions as kubernetes packages so that you could have the best of both worlds - flexibility and plug-and-play-ness? Honestly I'm probably ending up reinventing the wheel a lot while going with kubernetes (on my personal projects) piecing together a lot of what these tools would give me with minimal configuration. And it feels like a lot of what I'm currently trying to work on in my side project is basically what I would get from these paas solutions but with the benefit of understanding and being able to tweak the various components better.
- andix 2y ago
  I had the same conclusion after evaluating those open source PaaS tools. It just doesn't feel right for me. For small scale apps it's enough to spin up one or two VMs and run some containers with docker-compose (or just use Vercel/etc for a few bucks). But if it should scale, there is no alternative to kubernetes in the open source world.
  - worldsayshi 2y ago
    My hypothesis right now is that if you know Kubernetes there's no "good" reason to not choose Kubernetes even if it's "overkill". You get a lot of flexibility this way but it's potentially a huge upfront cost with many options for shooting yourself in the foot. Understanding how to configure it without getting overwhelmed currently takes a lot of experience. You can run Kubernetes for cheap on a single node and it seems you can configure it so that you only need to care about the configuration when you need flexibility. I think. I get a similar feeling to how it was to set up a react project before you had create-react-app like tools. There's a lack of plug and play options that works for most use cases. Then again I might just be sort of rationalising the amount of time I've spent on it on a personal project that doesn't really require it.
- colesantiago 2y ago
  unfortunately, many (like me) don't have time for going down k8s rabbit holes, we just want to get back building features. push heroku, done, get back to other things.
aitchnyu 2y ago
Also which ones have native support for background workers and cron jobs.

Would be great to see a comparison to some better known alternatives like - Dokku [0] - CapRover [1] [0] https://dokku.com/ https://dokku.com/ [1] https://caprover.com/ https://caprover.com/

rcarmo 2y ago

I should add one to https://piku.github.io https://piku.github.io (spoiler - this doesn't use Docker at all)

josegonzalez 2y ago
Dokku Maintainer here: Piku is awesome! I've always thought the PaaS space is wide enough for many players in specific niches, and I love the approach of running processes outside of containers. About the only thing I would change is to utilize systemd (or similar) for spawning processes, but otherwise it's super neat. I've used it myself on a raspberry pi zero :)
- rcarmo 2y ago
  Thanks! systemd would require more coding, because uwsgi does a lot automatically just by watching file creation/modification…

huodon 2y ago

+ https://coolify.io/ https://coolify.io/

raybb 2y ago
I've been using coolify for all my apps for like 6 months or so now. I gotta say it's pretty impressive how well it works and the dev is quite responsive. I hope he can make it financially viable for himself. It's still a little rough around the edges but quickly getting polished up.

hcaz 2y ago

+ https://easypanel.io/ https://easypanel.io/

udev4096 2y ago
This seems nice but looks like it's closed source?

scirob 2y ago

I'v tried these two and must say "it works out of the box" is only true maybe 50% of the time you try to deploy on them

nativeit 2y ago
I’ve been using Caprover for years, and haven’t experienced anything like your reported rate of failure.
- febeling 2y ago
  I can vouch for Dokku being equally very reliable and surprise-free to use.
josegonzalez 2y ago
Dokku Maintainer here. I think myself - and folks maintaining other open source projects! - would love to hear feedback about what works/what doesn't. Feel free to reach via email (its in my profile) if you want, or our Discord/Slack. I typically see users struggle with an initial deploy because their app depends on some variable or service running and that wasn't taken into account. This is pretty much the same as for general CI, where one might go through several commits before CI is running as you expect. Very unfortunately, detecting these pain points requires work from both platform maintainers _as well as_ framework owners. The reason rails apps deployed so nicely across PaaS services in the past is because the Rails developers spent a ton of time ensuring applications _could_ do 12 Factor, while most PaaS services spent a ton of time working towards those constraints. Consequently, deploying other services that don't conform to this standard is a bit more difficult (though usually still possible).

schappim 2y ago

+ https://hatchbox.io https://hatchbox.io

josegonzalez 2y ago
Dokku Maintainer here: Hatchbox is pretty cool, but not OSS - also doesn't use Docker IIRC if thats something you were looking for. There's certainly something to be said about managed services though. For folks that don't mind managing their infra, OSS systems allow customizations and extensions that you wouldn't see from a managed service, but you potentially trade that for reliability guarantees and general maintenance. With Dokku for instance, I see folks go quite a while without upgrading - potentially causing issues when they do, but mostly making it so they miss out on features and bug fixes. For managed services like Hatchbox, you get that for free, but then the system might change underneath at a cadence you're unhappy with.

woudsma 2y ago

It seems similar to https://swarmlet.dev https://swarmlet.dev as well (I’m the author). I’ve since abandoned the project for different reasons. Currently I’m using Dokku, and have been using it for ~8 years. It’s a lovely project and pretty mature. I would recommend Dokku to anyone who wants to do (cheap) self-hosting!

pawurb 2y ago
Same. Dokku has worked seamlessly for me for 6+ years now!
AntonyGarand 2y ago
Same here: I've been hosting two dozen services on Dokku for a side-project in the past few years and it's been working flawlessly! Dokku and a Hetzner server makes hosting very easy

worldsayshi 2y ago

I'm a bit down the kubernetes rabbit hole right now so I'm biased. Wouldn't it be better to have these solutions as kubernetes packages so that you could have the best of both worlds - flexibility and plug-and-play-ness? Honestly I'm probably ending up reinventing the wheel a lot while going with kubernetes (on my personal projects) piecing together a lot of what these tools would give me with minimal configuration. And it feels like a lot of what I'm currently trying to work on in my side project is basically what I would get from these paas solutions but with the benefit of understanding and being able to tweak the various components better.

andix 2y ago
I had the same conclusion after evaluating those open source PaaS tools. It just doesn't feel right for me. For small scale apps it's enough to spin up one or two VMs and run some containers with docker-compose (or just use Vercel/etc for a few bucks). But if it should scale, there is no alternative to kubernetes in the open source world.
- worldsayshi 2y ago
  My hypothesis right now is that if you know Kubernetes there's no "good" reason to not choose Kubernetes even if it's "overkill". You get a lot of flexibility this way but it's potentially a huge upfront cost with many options for shooting yourself in the foot. Understanding how to configure it without getting overwhelmed currently takes a lot of experience. You can run Kubernetes for cheap on a single node and it seems you can configure it so that you only need to care about the configuration when you need flexibility. I think. I get a similar feeling to how it was to set up a react project before you had create-react-app like tools. There's a lack of plug and play options that works for most use cases. Then again I might just be sort of rationalising the amount of time I've spent on it on a personal project that doesn't really require it.
colesantiago 2y ago
unfortunately, many (like me) don't have time for going down k8s rabbit holes, we just want to get back building features. push heroku, done, get back to other things.

aitchnyu 2y ago

Also which ones have native support for background workers and cron jobs.