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That’s because it is clickbait. Self awareness doesn’t even have a proper testable definition much less verified proof via experiments that wouldn’t immediately

That’s because it is clickbait. Self awareness doesn’t even have a proper testable definition much less verified proof via experiments that wouldn’t immediately be questioned as philosophically fraught. That’s not to say I don’t personally believe the existence of self awareness in other animals - I do. I just think the bar is incredibly high for actually proving it.

rightbyte 2y ago
Isn't the 'know it's you in a mirror' a common definition?
- ShamelessC 2y ago
  One of many, yes.
- eddiewithzato 2y ago
  i saw ravens attacking themselves at a door mirror years ago
  - latexr 2y ago
    Let’s not be too quick to dismiss a whole species based on anecdotal observation of a few idiots. https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/the-reflexes-of-this-other-guy-are-amazing-extremely-drunk-man-launches-attack-on-his-own-reflection/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/the-reflexes-of-th... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818090/Man-tries-fight-reflection-fleeing-scene.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818090/Man-tries-f...
  - vouaobrasil 2y ago
    I've seen humans talking to themselves in the mirror...
  - chrisdhoover 2y ago
    Didn’t Travis Bickle punch a mirror?
    - ChikkaChiChi 2y ago
      Travis Bickle wasn't a real person.
kalupa 2y ago
Indeed! By what definition are humans "self-aware"? How do I know everyone else but me is self-aware or just well-programmed automatons that act as though they have the same kinds of experiences as me?
- sqeaky 2y ago
  I definitely know some humans that make doubt blanket statements like "humans are self aware", but I have no formalized way to call them stupid.
- over_bridge 2y ago
  You have to wonder if there's some 1-5% of humans who don't meet the bar of being self aware. They seem to exist as parodies of people who can't learn or reflect on past actions. Being on a continuum would make a lot of sense with the sharpest crows and dullest people maybe crossing over a bit.

rightbyte 2y ago

Isn't the 'know it's you in a mirror' a common definition?

ShamelessC 2y ago
One of many, yes.
eddiewithzato 2y ago
i saw ravens attacking themselves at a door mirror years ago
- latexr 2y ago
  Let’s not be too quick to dismiss a whole species based on anecdotal observation of a few idiots. https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/the-reflexes-of-this-other-guy-are-amazing-extremely-drunk-man-launches-attack-on-his-own-reflection/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/the-reflexes-of-th... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818090/Man-tries-fight-reflection-fleeing-scene.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818090/Man-tries-f...
- vouaobrasil 2y ago
  I've seen humans talking to themselves in the mirror...
- chrisdhoover 2y ago
  Didn’t Travis Bickle punch a mirror?
  - ChikkaChiChi 2y ago
    Travis Bickle wasn't a real person.

kalupa 2y ago

Indeed! By what definition are humans "self-aware"? How do I know everyone else but me is self-aware or just well-programmed automatons that act as though they have the same kinds of experiences as me?

sqeaky 2y ago
I definitely know some humans that make doubt blanket statements like "humans are self aware", but I have no formalized way to call them stupid.
over_bridge 2y ago
You have to wonder if there's some 1-5% of humans who don't meet the bar of being self aware. They seem to exist as parodies of people who can't learn or reflect on past actions. Being on a continuum would make a lot of sense with the sharpest crows and dullest people maybe crossing over a bit.