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The article's headline states unequivocally that crows are self aware. But the presented evidence seems rather thin and criticism of this very evidence is being
by kbrkbr 2y ago
The article's headline states unequivocally that crows are self aware.
But the presented evidence seems rather thin and criticism of this very evidence is being presented at the end of the article (as I understand the architecture of the article: "crows are snart. Now findings suggest they are self aware erc."). I genuinely don't understand how this is not clickbait.
- ShamelessC 2y agoThat’s because it is clickbait. Self awareness doesn’t even have a proper testable definition much less verified proof via experiments that wouldn’t immediately be questioned as philosophically fraught. That’s not to say I don’t personally believe the existence of self awareness in other animals - I do. I just think the bar is incredibly high for actually proving it.
- rightbyte 2y agoIsn't the 'know it's you in a mirror' a common definition?
- ShamelessC 2y agoOne of many, yes.
- eddiewithzato 2y agoi saw ravens attacking themselves at a door mirror years ago
- latexr 2y agoLet’s not be too quick to dismiss a whole species based on anecdotal observation of a few idiots. https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/the-reflexes-of-this-other-guy-are-amazing-extremely-drunk-man-launches-attack-on-his-own-reflection/ https://wegotthiscovered.com/social-media/the-reflexes-of-th... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818090/Man-tries-fight-reflection-fleeing-scene.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818090/Man-tries-f...
- vouaobrasil 2y agoI've seen humans talking to themselves in the mirror...
- chrisdhoover 2y agoDidn’t Travis Bickle punch a mirror?
- ChikkaChiChi 2y agoTravis Bickle wasn't a real person.
- kalupa 2y agoIndeed! By what definition are humans "self-aware"? How do I know everyone else but me is self-aware or just well-programmed automatons that act as though they have the same kinds of experiences as me?
- sqeaky 2y agoI definitely know some humans that make doubt blanket statements like "humans are self aware", but I have no formalized way to call them stupid.
- over_bridge 2y agoYou have to wonder if there's some 1-5% of humans who don't meet the bar of being self aware. They seem to exist as parodies of people who can't learn or reflect on past actions. Being on a continuum would make a lot of sense with the sharpest crows and dullest people maybe crossing over a bit.