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Trial of the effects of kefir on behaviour, sleep and the microbiome in ADHD
- Terr_ 3y agoMissing headline: "A study protocol." This isn't newsworthy, it's a proposal for a future trial. I think I speak for everyone here when I say we are much more interested in actual results, if/when those are available.
- mslt 3y agoIt did actually happen. Maybe read far enough to justify the snark
- ngvrnd 3y agowhat were the conclusions? I skimmed it but did not see any.
- refulgentis 3y ago(not the poster you're chastising) I read for 5-7 minutes because I thought I might be missing it, couldn't find it. Help an ADHDer out? Edit: you sure? Now I read the PDF and reviewer comments too...fyi I'm on mobile. Only thing left i can think of that'd hide it.
- alwa 3y agoI’m surprised they were able to run the study so quickly, what with this study protocol only being published in December of last year. Although I may well be confused about the long timelines between things getting done and things making it into print in this field. Do you have a link to the study’s results? It reads to me like a sane and effective design, and I’d really be curious how it panned out. Maybe the main link can be updated to refer to the completed study.
- WhiteDawn 3y agoCitation needed? The study concluded in Sept 2023 but no results were provided. Are results on these studies usually so delayed? Perhaps they didn’t get the expected result?
- refulgentis 3y agoCalling it here: mslt, to apologize, you should say "I'm sorry, I didn't read far enough to justify my own snark. That's who screwed up here. I apologize to the poster I lashed out at"
- jzebedee 3y agoThe study did run and conclude: https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05155696 https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05155696
- dvfjsdhgfv 3y agoCould you tell us what the conclusion was? Because this is the very point of this discussion.
- CoastalCoder 3y agoIIUC, the data have been gathered but the results aren't yet published: https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05155696?tab=results https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT05155696?tab=results I think we're confused because it's a strange stage for bringing the study to our attention.
- IanCal 3y agoA few months isn't a long delay for a paper to be published.
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- Terr_ 3y agoThe study may have happened since this was first written, but AFAICT the results are still absent, so it's still not newsworthy because there's no real news.
- ricardobeat 3y agoWas this trial completed?
- Terr_ 3y agoI found some other stuff saying it was done on 2023-09-26, but no link to results.
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- refulgentis 3y agoI don't follow, can you help? - a generic form of one sentence in the paper is "X could affect Y" - you can replace X with Z and still form a sentence. - so the study writers / link sharer are simply farming for HN karma?
- bru3s 3y ago> so the study writers / link sharer are simply farming for HN karma? Only when the reader doesn't feel particularly invested in the topic at hand.
- hinkley 3y agoI have a friend with panic disorder. It took me almost ten years to convince her that she was having a vagus nerve reaction (she is now finally incorporating this into her life). She would eat certain foods and have a panic attack more than a third of the time. Those are the sorts of patterns I notice that other people dismiss (or in this case deny) The problem with “disorders” like ADHD that affect up to 10% of the population is that it’s really easy to find enough people with some other disorder to convince yourself that certain symptoms apply to a large part of the demographic. I have no doubt that there are ADHD people who are activated by vagus nerve activation (eg, irregular heartbeat or intestinal distress) but I doubt very much that it’s universal.
- voisin 3y agoCan you comment on what foods caused the vagus nerve reaction? I intermittently have panic attacks out of the blue and often while having no noticeable stress. I think it is due to my vagus nerve overacting but I haven’t been able to link it to any behaviour or diet. Any advice on where to look would be appreciated!
- hn_user82179 3y agoWhat are the kind of food that would induce a panic attack in her? Did she make things better by partially/completely avoiding them or did she add in probiotics/kefir/some other supplementation?
- Euphorbium 3y agoI incorporated kefir intomy regular diet and it really improved my life. I dont use it every day, but on about half of days I do remember to drink it.
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- can16358p 3y agoWhat observable positive/negative effects do you have since adding it?
- Euphorbium 3y agoI started using it for my ibs, and I think it really helped to have much less diarhea. It is not the only change though, I also started eating much more meat.
- hinkley 3y agoI had six ounces of kefir yesterday and was awake until 3 am. And I had no late afternoon caffeine which is my primary failure mode. Nor chocolate, which is #2. Don’t think the kefir is working for me.
- smt88 3y agoWhat does this have to do with the article? No one is proposing a single dose of kefir will help someone fall asleep, regardless of ADHD diagnosis.
- mikrl 3y agoI find the first week brings some gastrointestinal discomfort (but not necessarily pain, just mild bloating) as your gut acclimatizes to the kefir. Maybe just have some with your breakfast until you adjust to it. Once you can drink it with no discomfort, try some after eating a heavy meal like BBQ or AYCE Chinese food… anecdotally it makes digestion a breeze and can relieve the symptoms of overindulgence.
- hinkley 3y agoI used to drink it off and on just for digestive reasons and curiosity. I’d never really paid attention to mood or sleep hygiene related to consumption, one way or the other. I just found it funny that the biggest serving I had from the bottle coincided with my worst insomnia in two weeks. And the worst unexplained case in a couple months.
- altairprime 3y agoNotable highlights from the NIH page: - The study was registered in 2022, proposed n=70. - The study completed in late 2023, actual n=81. - The study results have not been registered with the NIH.
- omgCPhuture 3y agoThis is very exciting, I was diagnosed as an adult. Excellent post and I really think they are on to something.
- meaghankane741 3y ago[dead]