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I like the Walled Garden. I want the Walled Garden. Almost everyone wants the Walled Garden. Even Android users should want the Walled Garden, as a true second

I like the Walled Garden. I want the Walled Garden. Almost everyone wants the Walled Garden. Even Android users should want the Walled Garden, as a true second option. The Walled garden is fantastic. When everything just works, it's fantastic. Apple's product quality is without consumer equal. The quality a bright-light in a world otherwise brimming with hardware junk and a software wild west market. The antitrust issues are obviously without basis. This is an institutional effort to degrade the product line, and the lawsuits and regulations smell of hidden agenda. As a longtime Windows user, Windows is a privacy and security clown show. Linux is a server OS that is unusable for most casual desktop OS consumers. We're decades into the information age, and embarassingly there are only two usable desktop operating system ecosystems for the common person (Why is that, exactly?) aside from ChromeOS. And only one of the ecosystems, the one being targeted, is marginally acceptable from a consumer perspective. Given privacy, security, usability, and quality factors. A better so called "anti-monopoly" solution would be to build competitive products. Antitrust law was conceived to open up markets in the circumstance where the market was actually actively walled off by the monopolist. It wasn't conceived, for example, to stop car manufacturers from engineering the cars to accept parts that are only made for their cars. The last time that I checked, Apple was not preventing competitive product development. Android has a massive user base. This State effort to abuse the law so that things are worse quality has to stop.

dlubarov 2y ago
> As a longtime Windows user, Windows is a privacy and security clown show. I'd argue this is because it lacks proper sandboxing, not because it lacks curation. > A better so called "anti-monopoly" solution would be to build competitive products. Even if healthy competition could exist in this space, Apple (formerly?) barring developers from saying things like "our prices are 30% higher on iOS due to Apple's tax" gets in the way of consumers making informed decisions about competing products.
takeda 2y ago
Just because you love walled garden, doesn't mean others think the same. In fact you are the minority. This is especially visible on Android, where Google introduced side loading since the beginning and is struggling how to disable it. For example by blocking it in new android based products like Android TV. Or EU ruling that Apple needs to provide side loading, so Apple still only enables it on EU SIMs, making it hard to still build products with it. You mentioning Windows that it's "a privacy and security a clown show". Yet you are dismissing that Linux is for servers. That still doesn't change the fact that Linux is even desktop is much more secure though. Also mobile problems was not solved by mobile phones, in fact it was much worse, and more recent windows versions "backported" those ideas. > It wasn't conceived, for example, to stop car manufacturers from engineering the cars to accept parts that are only made for their cars. That's not what antitrust law supposed to protect. It's clear that different products will have different parts, what antitrust laws would do (if they weren't rendered toothless) would punish any blocking of competitors springing up.
Ylpertnodi 2y ago
>Almost everyone wants the Walled Garden. Even Android users should want the Walled Garden, as a true second option. I guess i, and most people i know, should be happy over not being included in 'almost everyone'.

dlubarov 2y ago

> As a longtime Windows user, Windows is a privacy and security clown show. I'd argue this is because it lacks proper sandboxing, not because it lacks curation. > A better so called "anti-monopoly" solution would be to build competitive products. Even if healthy competition could exist in this space, Apple (formerly?) barring developers from saying things like "our prices are 30% higher on iOS due to Apple's tax" gets in the way of consumers making informed decisions about competing products.

takeda 2y ago

Just because you love walled garden, doesn't mean others think the same. In fact you are the minority. This is especially visible on Android, where Google introduced side loading since the beginning and is struggling how to disable it. For example by blocking it in new android based products like Android TV. Or EU ruling that Apple needs to provide side loading, so Apple still only enables it on EU SIMs, making it hard to still build products with it. You mentioning Windows that it's "a privacy and security a clown show". Yet you are dismissing that Linux is for servers. That still doesn't change the fact that Linux is even desktop is much more secure though. Also mobile problems was not solved by mobile phones, in fact it was much worse, and more recent windows versions "backported" those ideas. > It wasn't conceived, for example, to stop car manufacturers from engineering the cars to accept parts that are only made for their cars. That's not what antitrust law supposed to protect. It's clear that different products will have different parts, what antitrust laws would do (if they weren't rendered toothless) would punish any blocking of competitors springing up.

Ylpertnodi 2y ago

>Almost everyone wants the Walled Garden. Even Android users should want the Walled Garden, as a true second option. I guess i, and most people i know, should be happy over not being included in 'almost everyone'.