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How to make electric cars fail; established entities can intentionally neglect and drag their feet, half ass implementation. Over time it fosters routine of neg

How to make electric cars fail; established entities can intentionally neglect and drag their feet, half ass implementation. Over time it fosters routine of negative experience, fostering a viral meme that ultimately squashes demand.

throwaway5959 2y ago
On a long enough time horizon those that won’t drive electric won’t be driving. It’ll just cost us all a ton more the longer we wait to transition.
- ThunderSizzle 2y ago
  I think it's the opposite. No one will be driving except the elite class. That's all EVs are a transition to - an elite status. Mandatory EVs will remove the access of freedom of movement that the lower and middle classes came to enjoy in a way that use to be impossible le
  - gadders 2y ago
    The same is happening with air travel.
    - malfist 2y ago
      Not to rain on your conspiracy, but air traffic is getting cheaper, not more expensive. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/airfare-inflation/ https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/airfare-infl...
      - gadders 2y ago
        Obviously technology since 1960-ish has made flights cheaper, but I don't really care about long term trends. I'm talking about now and into the future. If you think the imposition of Net Zero, Carbon Taxes, energy transition etc etc is going to make flights cheaper I'd be interested to see how you think this will be achieved [1] Still, as the saying goes "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges". All the FAANG employees and VCs and other tech bros will be able to fly to the Caribbean and Europe. It will only really effect your average blue collar employee, and who cares about them, right? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-21/flights-are-about-to-get-even-more-expensive-as-going-green-costs-5-trillion https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-21/flights-a...
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  - throwaway5959 2y ago
    That’s just conspiracy nonsense, why would they bother with EVs and not just ban gas cars altogether then?
    - gadders 2y ago
      Have you heard of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods?
nradov 2y ago
Don't be ridiculous. Hertz is a for-profit corporation. They're not intentionally trying to lose money in order to sabotage EVs as some sort of grand conspiracy. They're just incompetent.
- osigurdson 2y ago
  Probably some new exec just wanted to make a splash. They can always move on well before failure is apparent.
osigurdson 2y ago
No, they just aren't as convenient yet. Who wants to rent an EV on a vacation and worry about where to charge it. Eventually they will be better in general but they aren't yet. This isn't done grand conspiracy against EVs.
listenallyall 2y ago
Incorrect. Hertz was the biggest corporate supporter of EVs other than the manufacturers themselves. Two different Hertz CEOs essentially bet their careers on an EV future. Your characterization of intentional neglect or feet dragging is absolutely not the case, they made big, bold Tesla purchases and aggressively deployed them in the field. The problem was that customers simply did not want to rent them. https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2021/10/28/hertz-boss-mark-fields-hertz-boss-mark-fields-explains-why-he-went-with-tesla-for-big-ev-purchase https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2021/10/28/hertz-b... https://boardstewardship.com/hertz-ceo-stephen-scherr-steps-down-co-unwinds-bet-on-ev-cars/ https://boardstewardship.com/hertz-ceo-stephen-scherr-steps-...

throwaway5959 2y ago

On a long enough time horizon those that won’t drive electric won’t be driving. It’ll just cost us all a ton more the longer we wait to transition.

ThunderSizzle 2y ago
I think it's the opposite. No one will be driving except the elite class. That's all EVs are a transition to - an elite status. Mandatory EVs will remove the access of freedom of movement that the lower and middle classes came to enjoy in a way that use to be impossible le
- gadders 2y ago
  The same is happening with air travel.
  - malfist 2y ago
    Not to rain on your conspiracy, but air traffic is getting cheaper, not more expensive. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/airfare-inflation/ https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/airfare-infl...
    - gadders 2y ago
      Obviously technology since 1960-ish has made flights cheaper, but I don't really care about long term trends. I'm talking about now and into the future. If you think the imposition of Net Zero, Carbon Taxes, energy transition etc etc is going to make flights cheaper I'd be interested to see how you think this will be achieved [1] Still, as the saying goes "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges". All the FAANG employees and VCs and other tech bros will be able to fly to the Caribbean and Europe. It will only really effect your average blue collar employee, and who cares about them, right? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-21/flights-are-about-to-get-even-more-expensive-as-going-green-costs-5-trillion https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-21/flights-a...
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- throwaway5959 2y ago
  That’s just conspiracy nonsense, why would they bother with EVs and not just ban gas cars altogether then?
  - gadders 2y ago
    Have you heard of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods?

nradov 2y ago

Don't be ridiculous. Hertz is a for-profit corporation. They're not intentionally trying to lose money in order to sabotage EVs as some sort of grand conspiracy. They're just incompetent.

osigurdson 2y ago
Probably some new exec just wanted to make a splash. They can always move on well before failure is apparent.

osigurdson 2y ago

No, they just aren't as convenient yet. Who wants to rent an EV on a vacation and worry about where to charge it. Eventually they will be better in general but they aren't yet. This isn't done grand conspiracy against EVs.

listenallyall 2y ago

Incorrect. Hertz was the biggest corporate supporter of EVs other than the manufacturers themselves. Two different Hertz CEOs essentially bet their careers on an EV future. Your characterization of intentional neglect or feet dragging is absolutely not the case, they made big, bold Tesla purchases and aggressively deployed them in the field. The problem was that customers simply did not want to rent them. https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2021/10/28/hertz-boss-mark-fields-hertz-boss-mark-fields-explains-why-he-went-with-tesla-for-big-ev-purchase https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/2021/10/28/hertz-b... https://boardstewardship.com/hertz-ceo-stephen-scherr-steps-down-co-unwinds-bet-on-ev-cars/ https://boardstewardship.com/hertz-ceo-stephen-scherr-steps-...