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Ubuntu Desktop 24.04 LTS: Noble Numbat

128 points by zaikunzhang 2y ago

wg0 2y ago
Someday, I'm hoping to have Ubuntu tablets and Ubuntu phones back where everything from phone, tablet, desktop and the server has just one OS.
maz1b 2y ago
As someone who works across the stack, I've come to really appreciate seeing "LTS" and I think for me it comes from Ubuntu directly growing up as a kid in technology, understanding it means that people are committed to supporting something for the long term. Obviously I know there are business cases for this sort of stuff and whatnot generally, but as a kid first learning what LTS meant, I've always appreciated Ubuntu for this.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  After 18.04 LTS the distro has been headed in questionable directions. However, it is the only distro that came very close to unifying the desktop, mobile, server and embedded application spaces. In a way it greatly impacted how people approached designs, as the classic heterogeneous build circus approaches often became a trivial role assignment. It takes a bit of work to get the current builds "usable", but the FOSS curse now tightly couples release cycles to specific application compatibility versions. Or put another way... everything is perpetually Beta eventually, or becomes a statically linked abomination. This is the very real consequence of the second system effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect At least they haven't jammed an AI search indexing snitch into their interface... yet... Cheers =)
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  I was about to comment that even the 5-year standard support of LTS releases seems to end before I'm ready, but I looked at the release cycle page and 24.04 is posted with a 10 year (ending Apr 2034) standard support lifetime. Is that a typo or did they put the "pro" (paid) support end date in the wrong column? https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
  - queuebert 2y ago
    That's with ESM, which is only free for up to 5 machines, IIRC.
    - hnarn 2y ago
      Also only free for non-commercial use since it’s “extended” support, but it’s relatively affordable if you’re in a pinch and must buy it.
mistrial9 2y ago
previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157111 168 points, 158 comments
vouaobrasil 2y ago
Ah good times. I started out with one of the early ones, maybe 4.04 or something like that. Ubuntu was my first Linux, and then Mint. Unfortunately, for work purposes, I had to switch to MacOS (not a bad OS), but I still miss Linux from time to time, especially reading about that story on the frontpage about people losing access to their Apple IDs. I think I'll give it another shot soon...
- madamelic 2y ago
  It's very good. I probably shouldn't say that but I have been daily driving Ubuntu for about 10 years. There are certainly 'rough' edges but anyone technical should be comfortable getting it done. Increasingly I think Windows is an self-driving automatic car where Ubuntu is a manual car that you have to drive. Sure, you'll have to bang around under the hood occasionally but if your job is working on cars, it shouldn't be a problem. The common refrain of Bluetooth not working is completely gone in my opinion. I haven't had to mess with BT since I put a BT dongle in and installed Blueman. My current issue is that if I boot into the most recent kernel, my Wifi doesn't work. No problem, just boot into the last kernel. I am going to guess the wifi thing is probably my fault because I _abuse_ my installation with all kinds of weird things. Again, it's a manual car that lets you bang around under the hood. I have seen others work on Windows and it is astonishing to me how often their development environments break. I have to get on calls with them and try to step them through how to fix their environment because a) windows sucks b) it's an 'automatic car' that doesn't want you banging around under the hood, it actively tries to stop you c) it doesn't use a sh shell language so you have to specifically cater to it
  - VancouverMan 2y ago
    Desktop users who last used, and liked, Ubuntu during the pre-Unity/pre-GNOME-3/pre-Wayland era (before 2011 or so) may not like it so much these days. It's a very different default experience now. While I have fond memories of the earlier releases of Ubuntu, the more modern releases have been pretty much unusable for me any time I've tried them, unless I redo the default desktop environment with something sensible. Snap certainly hasn't helped the overall usability, either. Having to make so many changes pretty much defeats the purpose of using a distro in the first place. I've also helped several non-technical and semi-technical macOS and/or Windows users who've wanted to try Linux. The ones who wanted to try Ubuntu first ended up much happier when I eventually introduced them to KDE running on X.
KingOfLechia 2y ago
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someonehere 2y ago
I’d like to pick the brains here on HN. I’m looking to do something like autoinstall for my office but is there an easier way have my employees do their own thumb drive (remote users) and get the config they need from me? I’m looking for an MDM Intune like enrollment that’s easier and configured it a certain way. I’m not in a position to use and manage Puppet.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  The installer (subiquity) supports the "autoinstall" config files embedded in the install USB/ISO if you want. You can also just point the USB/ISO's autoinstall to an HTTPS address so an update doesn't require spinning new install media (does require the install start with some form of network access then). If you have wildly technical users only then they can even just have them type the autoinstall web address in the grub entry before the standard install media autoboots the entry (this falls apart the second someone isn't ultra techncial). In any of these cases the autoinstall file can still handle both the installer as well as post install custom scripts to do whatever you need but then it's done. For long term management/enrollment you'd need to look at something beyond just putting stuff on the installer USB/ISO. Ubuntu has Landscape for this but there are some alternatives. Just depends on what you need to manage long term and what you can realistically do (e.g. you note you aren't in a spot to manage something like Puppet).
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  One advantage with standardized workstation OS images, is the bugs/updates/compatibility only requires a 1 support ticket solution. Deploy a gpg signed public script to periodically download and install updates from a public server. i.e. anyone that has to update knows the package is from you, and the machine role is pre-defined by you with a config file in "/etc/example/myhost.conf". If secrecy is required, than publish host specific encrypted public payloads named for their primary interface MAC. This is how to handle clowns pulling drives in colocation data-centers. Cheers =)
CoolGuySteve 2y ago
Will I finally be able to use a bluetooth headset's high quality audio output and its mic at the same time without significant changes in the terminal? It's getting embarrassing that every other mobile and desktop OS has no problem doing this but not Ubuntu.
- digiou 2y ago
  I think this is the result of how bluetooth itself works for bi-directional voice headsets, no? I do get bad quality on every OS when I have to do this, unless it has to do with the audio codec.
  - briffle 2y ago
    My windows 11 computer does the same thing. It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality
    - gruez 2y ago
      AFAIK windows gets around this by having audio devices for the A2DP profile (ie. audio output only) and the HFP profile (ie. audio output and input) and having both be active at the same time. The A2DP device is set as the "default device" which means if you play spotify or whatever the audio goes through that and you hear high quality audio. The HFP device is set as the "default communications device", which is what apps like Teams or Zoom is supposed to use, and has shitty audio quality. > It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality It's not a bandwidth limitation. According to google A2DP supports up to 728kbit/s, but SBC (the default codec) only goes up to around 300. Clearly there's enough bandwidth for mid quality input and output streams.
      - utensil4778 2y ago
        It is much more complicated than that. That 700kbit/s figure is theoretical performance under ideal conditions: one device, one host, no interference. In the real world, you get a lot less bandwidth. In my office building I see 300-400kbit/s of real throughput. The radio also only has one transceiver, if you connect multiple devices, they have to take turns broadcasting which cuts your bandwidth roughly linearly proportional to the number of nodes. Also remember that Bluetooth and WiFi share the same spectrum. A high power or very busy WiFi network nearby will also drop Bluetooth bandwidth. You also get a precipitous drop in bandwidth if there are other Bluetooth devices nearby, as they all have to share the same spectrum. There's a lot of effort put into mitigating these problems, but either way the real world performance of Bluetooth is much, much lower than theoretical figures. Streaming useful audio over a link like this is not a trivial problem. At work, I'm currently trying to cram ten separate audio streams into a Bluetooth link for reasons. We're switching to WiFi.
butz 2y ago
Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.
- ivanjermakov 2y ago
  Wow! Is there a breakdown of how this space is used? Arch ISO is 950MB...
  - atvcatole 2y ago
    Wow! Ubuntu netinstall is ~80MB...
    - ivanjermakov 2y ago
      You're right! If you count essential pacstrap packages it's additional ~200MB.
- a1o 2y ago
  From what I understand a significant amount is Nvidia drivers and Nvidia stuff.
  - thegrim33 2y ago
    It comes with Nouveau, but drivers and sofware from Nvidia is only installed manually after the fact.
    - a1o 2y ago
      It comes with 1GB of binary Nvidia drivers right in the image. You can check.
- axytol 2y ago
s1k3s 2y ago
3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?
- trueismywork 2y ago
  It's generally problem with bad hardware yes. With good hardware, it's not a problem. Bad hardware = hardware by vendors who intentionally or unintentionally design it with only windows in mind.
  - dventimi 2y ago
    I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?
    - trueismywork 2y ago
      I don't know. Depends on whether it has devices where manufacturers have written drivers only for windows or also for Linux. Sometimes vendors also hide information on how firmware works to prevent other people from writing drivers for Linux. Of course end users think Linux doesn't support that hardware, when reality is that the device manufacturers don't support Linux.
      - layer8 2y ago
        It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.
        dventimi 2y ago
        That's right. Reading the above thread it seems to me the distinction between "good" and "bad" hardware is made by whether it works with Linux, but that's circular reasoning. Moreover, my intention behind my comment about my new Lenovo laptop was that it can't simply be a matter of unusual low-volume hardware running into support issues.
bradley13 2y ago
Will be installing in a week or two. I'm not a fan of snap, and I know Mint doesn't use it (by default, anyway), but I'm used to Xubuntu and will stick with it for now. Apparently, the upgrade path isn't quite ready yet. If you're installing now, do a fresh install.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  They use snap more and more with each release. It's why I switched over to Pop OS. I like flatpak since it's not baked into the distro. I don't mind if sometimes a theme or something doesn't the system one. I'm not one of those types who is "shocked" and "jarred" by gui differences.
  - bithead 2y ago
    I get the idea behind snap, flatpak, and appimage. But what I don't like is: 1.) config file locations end up all over the place depending on which you use. I like taking my .thunderbird data and just dropping it from one system to the next as one example. Snap makes that harder. Likewise for firefox - the snap version is behind as well. 2.) It solves a problem already long since solved in linux systems - package management. You still need APT or what ever the distro is built with. Two systems solving the same problem often seems like one cook too many. Hell even homebrew in macos is a pain.
    - utensil4778 2y ago
      One of the worst sins is hijacking apt install to secretly install the snap behind the scenes
- k8sToGo 2y ago
  I upgraded all my lts servers, no problem.
vlod 2y ago
Jay from Learn Linux TV [0] had problems. I get a sense it's been rushed out. Might want to hold out for a minor release. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1KXeTd30KI&t=328s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1KXeTd30KI&t=328s
zaikunzhang 2y ago
Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today. The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue style of Xfce and its lightness when I use the window system during the other 10%. Before starting Linux, I had a very limited idea about what a computer is and how it works. An anecdote I often relate to my students is that I once copied the icon of an application (Turbo C) from one computer to another, believing that I could use the application on the second computer. Linux has taught me what a computer really is. An "achievement" may be worth mentioning: in the past 16 years, essentially all my work as an applied mathematician has been typed under terminal using Vim, including papers, lecture notes, slides, programs, and particularly my 200-page PhD thesis in Chinese. It was not quite trivial to type Chinese in Vim --- think about it: how to get a Chinese inputting system that can work seamlessly with Vim's key bindings? Fcitx would not work (at least it was the case 13 years ago). [1] Xubuntu 24.04 released! https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-24-04-released https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-24-04-released
- queuebert 2y ago
  Have you tried Ubuntu Kylin [1]? If so, what did you not like about it? 1. https://www.ubuntukylin.com/ https://www.ubuntukylin.com/
  - zaikunzhang 2y ago
    Not really. But I have introduced (enforced ...) deepin [1] to my wife, who is definitely not a "computer person". She essentially uses only WPS, WeChat, and Chrome. She did complain a few times in the beginning, requesting me to "get her Windows back", but I resisted and the complaints somehow stopped after the first month. This may be a sign that the system is not toooo difficult to use, and that I am an extremely lucky man with an extraordinarily forgiving wife --- I do not advise you to try the same unless you are as lucky! [1] https://www.deepin.org/index/en https://www.deepin.org/index/en
NorwegianDude 2y ago
First impressions of 24.04 desktop compared to 22.04 is that it feels more polished. A lot of apps on 22.04 had large windows around them taking up way to much vertical space by default. The foundation is way better than any other OS, so if they just keep improving the UI/UX then it would be a dream to use.
- layer8 2y ago
  The foundation is Debian, by the way.
luckylettuce 2y ago
I’d like to try it out but they don’t have arm64 isos, so…
- web007 2y ago
  You mean like https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/24.04/release/ubuntu-24.04-live-server-arm64.iso https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/24.04/release/ubuntu-24.... ?
  - luckylettuce 2y ago
    I didn’t know they had arm server versions. Thanks for the link!
- a1o 2y ago
  I think there should be at least a server image but you can easily install de desktop stuff - install the one with the DE you want.
shadycuz 2y ago
The container image for 24.04 is different from that of 22.04 and 20.04. The 24.04 container includes a "ubuntu" user with a UID of 1000, where the previous containers shipped with only a "root" user. The "ubuntu" user does not have sudo turned on by default. This gave me issues with my vscode devcontainer setup. You can see my work around here https://github.com/DontShaveTheYak/cf2tf/pull/288/files https://github.com/DontShaveTheYak/cf2tf/pull/288/files
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queuebert 2y ago
Does anyone know if desktop scaling on Wayland is fixed now? On 22.04 scaled desktops caused certain apps, such as Obsidian, to be blurry.
- nequo 2y ago
  That’s an Xwayland thing. If your Obsidian has no Wayland support, it will be blurry with any distro. It looks like newer versions use a newer version of Electron that supports Wayland: https://forum.obsidian.md/t/please-ugrade-to-the-newest-electron-for-native-wayland-support/17656 https://forum.obsidian.md/t/please-ugrade-to-the-newest-elec...
CAPSLOCKSSTUCK 2y ago
I've been on 20.04 LTS at home for years, is there any real reason to upgrade?
CoolCold 2y ago
I'm curious, is bringing goodies of CorpIT and manageability > Ubuntu's Active Directory (AD) Group Policy client, available via Ubuntu Pro, now supports enterprise proxy configuration, privilege management, and remote script execution. It also continues to support AD Group Policy Objects. make a small step towards more adoption of Linux at work? From my perspective, having just those two - "Privilege management and the ability to remove local admin accounts" and "Remote script execution" [0] open the gates to consider Ubuntu for wider adoption by orgs. [0] https://ubuntu.com/engage/microsoft-active-directory https://ubuntu.com/engage/microsoft-active-directory
simonebrunozzi 2y ago
Has anything changed for Ubuntu on Apple Mac hardware with M chips?

128 points by zaikunzhang 2y ago

wg0 2y ago

Someday, I'm hoping to have Ubuntu tablets and Ubuntu phones back where everything from phone, tablet, desktop and the server has just one OS.

maz1b 2y ago

As someone who works across the stack, I've come to really appreciate seeing "LTS" and I think for me it comes from Ubuntu directly growing up as a kid in technology, understanding it means that people are committed to supporting something for the long term. Obviously I know there are business cases for this sort of stuff and whatnot generally, but as a kid first learning what LTS meant, I've always appreciated Ubuntu for this.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago
After 18.04 LTS the distro has been headed in questionable directions. However, it is the only distro that came very close to unifying the desktop, mobile, server and embedded application spaces. In a way it greatly impacted how people approached designs, as the classic heterogeneous build circus approaches often became a trivial role assignment. It takes a bit of work to get the current builds "usable", but the FOSS curse now tightly couples release cycles to specific application compatibility versions. Or put another way... everything is perpetually Beta eventually, or becomes a statically linked abomination. This is the very real consequence of the second system effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect At least they haven't jammed an AI search indexing snitch into their interface... yet... Cheers =)
SoftTalker 2y ago
I was about to comment that even the 5-year standard support of LTS releases seems to end before I'm ready, but I looked at the release cycle page and 24.04 is posted with a 10 year (ending Apr 2034) standard support lifetime. Is that a typo or did they put the "pro" (paid) support end date in the wrong column? https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
- queuebert 2y ago
  That's with ESM, which is only free for up to 5 machines, IIRC.
  - hnarn 2y ago
    Also only free for non-commercial use since it’s “extended” support, but it’s relatively affordable if you’re in a pinch and must buy it.

mistrial9 2y ago

previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157111 168 points, 158 comments

vouaobrasil 2y ago

Ah good times. I started out with one of the early ones, maybe 4.04 or something like that. Ubuntu was my first Linux, and then Mint. Unfortunately, for work purposes, I had to switch to MacOS (not a bad OS), but I still miss Linux from time to time, especially reading about that story on the frontpage about people losing access to their Apple IDs. I think I'll give it another shot soon...

madamelic 2y ago
It's very good. I probably shouldn't say that but I have been daily driving Ubuntu for about 10 years. There are certainly 'rough' edges but anyone technical should be comfortable getting it done. Increasingly I think Windows is an self-driving automatic car where Ubuntu is a manual car that you have to drive. Sure, you'll have to bang around under the hood occasionally but if your job is working on cars, it shouldn't be a problem. The common refrain of Bluetooth not working is completely gone in my opinion. I haven't had to mess with BT since I put a BT dongle in and installed Blueman. My current issue is that if I boot into the most recent kernel, my Wifi doesn't work. No problem, just boot into the last kernel. I am going to guess the wifi thing is probably my fault because I _abuse_ my installation with all kinds of weird things. Again, it's a manual car that lets you bang around under the hood. I have seen others work on Windows and it is astonishing to me how often their development environments break. I have to get on calls with them and try to step them through how to fix their environment because a) windows sucks b) it's an 'automatic car' that doesn't want you banging around under the hood, it actively tries to stop you c) it doesn't use a sh shell language so you have to specifically cater to it
- VancouverMan 2y ago
  Desktop users who last used, and liked, Ubuntu during the pre-Unity/pre-GNOME-3/pre-Wayland era (before 2011 or so) may not like it so much these days. It's a very different default experience now. While I have fond memories of the earlier releases of Ubuntu, the more modern releases have been pretty much unusable for me any time I've tried them, unless I redo the default desktop environment with something sensible. Snap certainly hasn't helped the overall usability, either. Having to make so many changes pretty much defeats the purpose of using a distro in the first place. I've also helped several non-technical and semi-technical macOS and/or Windows users who've wanted to try Linux. The ones who wanted to try Ubuntu first ended up much happier when I eventually introduced them to KDE running on X.

KingOfLechia 2y ago

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someonehere 2y ago

I’d like to pick the brains here on HN. I’m looking to do something like autoinstall for my office but is there an easier way have my employees do their own thumb drive (remote users) and get the config they need from me? I’m looking for an MDM Intune like enrollment that’s easier and configured it a certain way. I’m not in a position to use and manage Puppet.

zamadatix 2y ago
The installer (subiquity) supports the "autoinstall" config files embedded in the install USB/ISO if you want. You can also just point the USB/ISO's autoinstall to an HTTPS address so an update doesn't require spinning new install media (does require the install start with some form of network access then). If you have wildly technical users only then they can even just have them type the autoinstall web address in the grub entry before the standard install media autoboots the entry (this falls apart the second someone isn't ultra techncial). In any of these cases the autoinstall file can still handle both the installer as well as post install custom scripts to do whatever you need but then it's done. For long term management/enrollment you'd need to look at something beyond just putting stuff on the installer USB/ISO. Ubuntu has Landscape for this but there are some alternatives. Just depends on what you need to manage long term and what you can realistically do (e.g. you note you aren't in a spot to manage something like Puppet).
Joel_Mckay 2y ago
One advantage with standardized workstation OS images, is the bugs/updates/compatibility only requires a 1 support ticket solution. Deploy a gpg signed public script to periodically download and install updates from a public server. i.e. anyone that has to update knows the package is from you, and the machine role is pre-defined by you with a config file in "/etc/example/myhost.conf". If secrecy is required, than publish host specific encrypted public payloads named for their primary interface MAC. This is how to handle clowns pulling drives in colocation data-centers. Cheers =)

CoolGuySteve 2y ago

Will I finally be able to use a bluetooth headset's high quality audio output and its mic at the same time without significant changes in the terminal? It's getting embarrassing that every other mobile and desktop OS has no problem doing this but not Ubuntu.

digiou 2y ago
I think this is the result of how bluetooth itself works for bi-directional voice headsets, no? I do get bad quality on every OS when I have to do this, unless it has to do with the audio codec.
- briffle 2y ago
  My windows 11 computer does the same thing. It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality
  - gruez 2y ago
    AFAIK windows gets around this by having audio devices for the A2DP profile (ie. audio output only) and the HFP profile (ie. audio output and input) and having both be active at the same time. The A2DP device is set as the "default device" which means if you play spotify or whatever the audio goes through that and you hear high quality audio. The HFP device is set as the "default communications device", which is what apps like Teams or Zoom is supposed to use, and has shitty audio quality. > It’s because of the limited bandwidth in Bluetooth that it has to lower the audio quality It's not a bandwidth limitation. According to google A2DP supports up to 728kbit/s, but SBC (the default codec) only goes up to around 300. Clearly there's enough bandwidth for mid quality input and output streams.
    - utensil4778 2y ago
      It is much more complicated than that. That 700kbit/s figure is theoretical performance under ideal conditions: one device, one host, no interference. In the real world, you get a lot less bandwidth. In my office building I see 300-400kbit/s of real throughput. The radio also only has one transceiver, if you connect multiple devices, they have to take turns broadcasting which cuts your bandwidth roughly linearly proportional to the number of nodes. Also remember that Bluetooth and WiFi share the same spectrum. A high power or very busy WiFi network nearby will also drop Bluetooth bandwidth. You also get a precipitous drop in bandwidth if there are other Bluetooth devices nearby, as they all have to share the same spectrum. There's a lot of effort put into mitigating these problems, but either way the real world performance of Bluetooth is much, much lower than theoretical figures. Streaming useful audio over a link like this is not a trivial problem. At work, I'm currently trying to cram ten separate audio streams into a Bluetooth link for reasons. We're switching to WiFi.

butz 2y ago

Interesting observation, that in 20 years installer iso size grew almost ten times: from 643M CD to current 5.7G image, that won't fit even on single layer DVD (not that someone are still using those). I was also surprised how little difference "default selection" and "extended selection" makes in disk space usage - "extended" is taking up only 1GB more of disk space.

ivanjermakov 2y ago
Wow! Is there a breakdown of how this space is used? Arch ISO is 950MB...
- atvcatole 2y ago
  Wow! Ubuntu netinstall is ~80MB...
  - ivanjermakov 2y ago
    You're right! If you count essential pacstrap packages it's additional ~200MB.
a1o 2y ago
From what I understand a significant amount is Nvidia drivers and Nvidia stuff.
- thegrim33 2y ago
  It comes with Nouveau, but drivers and sofware from Nvidia is only installed manually after the fact.
  - a1o 2y ago
    It comes with 1GB of binary Nvidia drivers right in the image. You can check.
axytol 2y ago

s1k3s 2y ago

3 years ago I switched from Ubuntu back to Windows because of the many driver issues, especially in newer hardware. Is this still a problem?

trueismywork 2y ago
It's generally problem with bad hardware yes. With good hardware, it's not a problem. Bad hardware = hardware by vendors who intentionally or unintentionally design it with only windows in mind.
- dventimi 2y ago
  I have a brand new Lenovo laptop. Is that "bad hardware"?
  - trueismywork 2y ago
    I don't know. Depends on whether it has devices where manufacturers have written drivers only for windows or also for Linux. Sometimes vendors also hide information on how firmware works to prevent other people from writing drivers for Linux. Of course end users think Linux doesn't support that hardware, when reality is that the device manufacturers don't support Linux.
    - layer8 2y ago
      It doesn’t matter, the end result is that you are substantially more limited in hardware choice and generally have more trouble with Linux on newer hardware. So if you’re not invested in Linux ideologically, it’s difficult to recommend, for laptops in particular.
      - dventimi 2y ago
        That's right. Reading the above thread it seems to me the distinction between "good" and "bad" hardware is made by whether it works with Linux, but that's circular reasoning. Moreover, my intention behind my comment about my new Lenovo laptop was that it can't simply be a matter of unusual low-volume hardware running into support issues.

bradley13 2y ago

Will be installing in a week or two. I'm not a fan of snap, and I know Mint doesn't use it (by default, anyway), but I'm used to Xubuntu and will stick with it for now. Apparently, the upgrade path isn't quite ready yet. If you're installing now, do a fresh install.

EasyMark 2y ago
They use snap more and more with each release. It's why I switched over to Pop OS. I like flatpak since it's not baked into the distro. I don't mind if sometimes a theme or something doesn't the system one. I'm not one of those types who is "shocked" and "jarred" by gui differences.
- bithead 2y ago
  I get the idea behind snap, flatpak, and appimage. But what I don't like is: 1.) config file locations end up all over the place depending on which you use. I like taking my .thunderbird data and just dropping it from one system to the next as one example. Snap makes that harder. Likewise for firefox - the snap version is behind as well. 2.) It solves a problem already long since solved in linux systems - package management. You still need APT or what ever the distro is built with. Two systems solving the same problem often seems like one cook too many. Hell even homebrew in macos is a pain.
  - utensil4778 2y ago
    One of the worst sins is hijacking apt install to secretly install the snap behind the scenes
k8sToGo 2y ago
I upgraded all my lts servers, no problem.

vlod 2y ago

Jay from Learn Linux TV [0] had problems. I get a sense it's been rushed out. Might want to hold out for a minor release. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1KXeTd30KI&t=328s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1KXeTd30KI&t=328s

zaikunzhang 2y ago

Ubuntu is my first and last Linux distribution, which I have used for 16 years without discontinuation, since my early PhD days up to today. The only change during the 16 years is that I switched from Ubuntu (with Gnome) to Xubuntu (with Xfce) [1], but I still call it Ubuntu. When people ask me about the difference between the two, I respond "color". I spend 90% of my time on the terminal, and I prefer the gray-blue style of Xfce and its lightness when I use the window system during the other 10%. Before starting Linux, I had a very limited idea about what a computer is and how it works. An anecdote I often relate to my students is that I once copied the icon of an application (Turbo C) from one computer to another, believing that I could use the application on the second computer. Linux has taught me what a computer really is. An "achievement" may be worth mentioning: in the past 16 years, essentially all my work as an applied mathematician has been typed under terminal using Vim, including papers, lecture notes, slides, programs, and particularly my 200-page PhD thesis in Chinese. It was not quite trivial to type Chinese in Vim --- think about it: how to get a Chinese inputting system that can work seamlessly with Vim's key bindings? Fcitx would not work (at least it was the case 13 years ago). [1] Xubuntu 24.04 released! https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-24-04-released https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-24-04-released

queuebert 2y ago
Have you tried Ubuntu Kylin [1]? If so, what did you not like about it? 1. https://www.ubuntukylin.com/ https://www.ubuntukylin.com/
- zaikunzhang 2y ago
  Not really. But I have introduced (enforced ...) deepin [1] to my wife, who is definitely not a "computer person". She essentially uses only WPS, WeChat, and Chrome. She did complain a few times in the beginning, requesting me to "get her Windows back", but I resisted and the complaints somehow stopped after the first month. This may be a sign that the system is not toooo difficult to use, and that I am an extremely lucky man with an extraordinarily forgiving wife --- I do not advise you to try the same unless you are as lucky! [1] https://www.deepin.org/index/en https://www.deepin.org/index/en

NorwegianDude 2y ago

First impressions of 24.04 desktop compared to 22.04 is that it feels more polished. A lot of apps on 22.04 had large windows around them taking up way to much vertical space by default. The foundation is way better than any other OS, so if they just keep improving the UI/UX then it would be a dream to use.

layer8 2y ago
The foundation is Debian, by the way.

luckylettuce 2y ago

I’d like to try it out but they don’t have arm64 isos, so…

web007 2y ago
You mean like https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/24.04/release/ubuntu-24.04-live-server-arm64.iso https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/24.04/release/ubuntu-24.... ?
- luckylettuce 2y ago
  I didn’t know they had arm server versions. Thanks for the link!
a1o 2y ago
I think there should be at least a server image but you can easily install de desktop stuff - install the one with the DE you want.

shadycuz 2y ago

The container image for 24.04 is different from that of 22.04 and 20.04. The 24.04 container includes a "ubuntu" user with a UID of 1000, where the previous containers shipped with only a "root" user. The "ubuntu" user does not have sudo turned on by default. This gave me issues with my vscode devcontainer setup. You can see my work around here https://github.com/DontShaveTheYak/cf2tf/pull/288/files https://github.com/DontShaveTheYak/cf2tf/pull/288/files

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queuebert 2y ago

Does anyone know if desktop scaling on Wayland is fixed now? On 22.04 scaled desktops caused certain apps, such as Obsidian, to be blurry.

nequo 2y ago
That’s an Xwayland thing. If your Obsidian has no Wayland support, it will be blurry with any distro. It looks like newer versions use a newer version of Electron that supports Wayland: https://forum.obsidian.md/t/please-ugrade-to-the-newest-electron-for-native-wayland-support/17656 https://forum.obsidian.md/t/please-ugrade-to-the-newest-elec...

CAPSLOCKSSTUCK 2y ago

I've been on 20.04 LTS at home for years, is there any real reason to upgrade?

CoolCold 2y ago

I'm curious, is bringing goodies of CorpIT and manageability > Ubuntu's Active Directory (AD) Group Policy client, available via Ubuntu Pro, now supports enterprise proxy configuration, privilege management, and remote script execution. It also continues to support AD Group Policy Objects. make a small step towards more adoption of Linux at work? From my perspective, having just those two - "Privilege management and the ability to remove local admin accounts" and "Remote script execution" [0] open the gates to consider Ubuntu for wider adoption by orgs. [0] https://ubuntu.com/engage/microsoft-active-directory https://ubuntu.com/engage/microsoft-active-directory

simonebrunozzi 2y ago

Has anything changed for Ubuntu on Apple Mac hardware with M chips?