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This is standard recent Google. A year or so ago, they laid off GCP upper tier support to replace them with cheaper workers. PS: I won't say which MAAN_, but t
by hi-v-rocknroll 3y ago
This is standard recent Google. A year or so ago, they laid off GCP upper tier support to replace them with cheaper workers.
PS: I won't say which MAAN_, but the recruiters are half based in India now. Coincidentally, it's a MAAN_ that laid me off previously in a relatively recent timeframe rather than attempt to find me another home internally. Brain explodes. Perhaps MAANGs need to focus more on long-term sustainability if they intend to retain top talent because morale is non-uniformly, moderately miserable due to the actions of multiple rounds of layoffs creating unbounded uncertainty, vague bizword slogans, and cheap perk cutbacks.
- emodendroket 3y agoI'm not convinced demoralization is undesired in all cases; certainly it seems like there was a lot of frustration about workers demanding more pay, remote work, stances on various social/political issues, and so on. Making people demoralized and afraid of losing their jobs is one possible answer to that.
- xcrjm 3y agoTheoretically you have a point. On the other hand it’s so bad for recruiting. I view companies that do large layoffs the same way I view companies that do a lot of contract hiring. You clearly don’t care about employees and their wellbeing.
- emodendroket 3y agoIf it's localized to one company it is but that's the beauty of a sector-wide slowdown... where are they going to go instead?
- nebula8804 3y agoMaybe we can see this as a positive, if it gets bad enough, the people coming into tech from the bootcamps who just did it for the money might move onto other fields.
- emodendroket 3y agoIsn’t that why anyone does any job? Even if you love tinkering with computers the reality of a job involves a lot of other stuff.
- nebula8804 3y agoEh, I guess I have a different mentality about this. There are people that just love what they do for their job. Sure they can go from job to job but they actually enjoy doing the work. I grew up during a time when the CS department at my college was loserville. No one wanted to be there except the people truly passionate about the field and the department did not get much respect from the rest of my (engineering) school because of these small enrollment numbers(relative to the other departments). Now its one of the largest programs on the east coast. Its cool that more people appreciate the field but as a small kid, I decided that I would have gone into this field even if it did not pay the big bucks so it was a no brainer when I enrolled.
- twojobsoneboss 3y agoBe real, it’s google. They could layoff 10k every month for another year and still have people lining up from around the world to get in
- taylodl 3y agoBe real - those kind of people aren’t worth hiring!
- ToxicMegacolon 3y agoSeems like direct path to becoming IBM to be honest
- tarsinge 3y agoGoogle was so impactful in redefining work environment in the 2000s that people have now a very hard time getting over them being now just another old school big corporation. I remember in the early 2010s the aura Google had here on HN was crazy, I guess 10 years are still not enough to destroy that image.
- eitally 3y agoTo be fair, though, even if the culture isn't the same as ten years ago, the perks (and pay) generally are. For people who want to work in a technical role and who may be in traditional enterprise IT, looking up to big tech (including Google) is still pretty rational.
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- dcrow0 3y agoTF? since when do corporations give a shit about you?
- ofslidingfeet 3y agot. Jerome Powell and Julie Su
- emodendroket 3y agoWell for sure, but it also helps make sense of why you'd see tech executives clamoring for something to be done about inflation even as they were clearly benefiting from the inflationary environment in some sense.
- agos 3y ago“The beatings will continue until morale improves”
- julienreszka 3y agoWhat is a MAAN_
- chillidoor 3y agoI'm guessing "Meta, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and Google" but with a "_" for some reason
- longemen3000 3y ago_ is for Alphabet
- wing-_-nuts 3y agothen why not MAAANG?. Much better acronym, but then I just say big N.
- jkubicek 3y agoCan’t we just stick with FANG? Sure, the acronym doesn’t mean anything anymore, but at least everyone knows what it means.
- Fatnino 3y agoThe N stands for Microsoft
- fr0nk0hshun 3y agoThere’s no other option besides MANGA. Anything else is f-ing lame
- harithnawa52 3y agoGANMA
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- tdudzik 3y agoTop talent is based outside of USA too
- bbrake 3y agoMoving things to india sounds like a great idea, except the 13-15 hour difference in communication. it's all well and good until you're in Cupertino and taking an 11:30 pm call because they have 0 hours of overlap... guess you can force them to work US hours, but that goes to culture as well. Are they trying to show that India's workplace is more compliant and they'll just do what corp types will tell them?
- twojobsoneboss 3y agoIn this tech job environment the US google employee is willing to do as many 11:30 nights as needed to keep his high paying tech job, and management knows it
- ToxicMegacolon 3y agoManagement is dumb if they think that. You can't announce year long continuous layoffs, and expect people to work hard. What will the hard working employees get in return if they get laid off? Most US Google Employees are smart people, they should know that now is the time to prepare to get off that tech island, and quiet quitting is the way.
- twojobsoneboss 3y agoRTO has been instituted and there not much you can do to prepare for a whole career change when in the office… And esp for those with families they might be dependent on big tech comp to support their family in high CoL areas, else have to move their kids and school or make big lifestyle downgrades Management holds the cards and they know it. Lesson for workers is to live way below your means while you still can
- ToxicMegacolon 3y agoLast I checked google was in hybrid mode. That is 3 days a week in office max. Also, Last I checked a week was 7 days. Lastly, its not whole career change. Switching from Google to Netflix as a software engineer is not a career change. I disagree that management holds the cards. Jobs are being threatened whether you work hard or not. You can double your productivity and still be cut in the next round of layoffs (and suffer burnout, stress, depression etc). In such a situation, it makes sense to quiet quit and prepare yourself for the time when you do get cut. Besides savings, the lesson here is to prioritize self over a job every day. In fact, if management did held the cards, they'd make the move that increases productivity and morale, not alienates the entire workforce. Also I think those with families should be extra motivated to interview elsewhere in the current climate. They should be more scared of getting laid off and ending up jobless than having to move to another city with a new job.
- dcrow0 3y agothe layoffs are to fearmonger employees to stop asking for more, duh
- ehsankia 3y agoSupport team is one thing. Google's Python team was a small team, most of which were also on the Python steering council or Core Python developers. These people had decades of experience in Python. Their knowledge and community connections is irreplaceable.
- peanutz454 3y agoI'd fathom to guess that it's not even worth Google's time to replace a ten people team. It's probably just a KPI sent from the top -"Replace a few people to earn your bonus this year". Constructing useless KPI, when you cannot come up with interesting ones.
- caroline_turing 3y agoFeels like this will make it so that in the future any python related requests coming from google might just as well end up in /dev/null
- Willish42 3y agoAnecdotally, I've heard this is the case at more than one major tech firm, and will likely have caught on since many of the same companies already laid off many recruiters during "difficult decisions for the very harsh economic environment for hiring that we caused, are largely immune to, and are now using as cover to cut costs and increase stock prices via huge buybacks"