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Amusing that they went with a photo from 2014 to illustrate the article

by drcode 2y ago

landonxjames 2y ago
I believe 2014 is the model year of that Tesla, it seems like that particular crash was in 2018. https://incidentdatabase.ai/cite/320/ https://incidentdatabase.ai/cite/320/
LeafItAlone 2y ago
It says > A 2014 Tesla Model S the vehicle is a 2014. The photo is of a Jan 2018 crash https://www.ocregister.com/2019/09/04/ntsb-tesla-autopilot-let-driver-rely-too-much-on-automation/amp/ https://www.ocregister.com/2019/09/04/ntsb-tesla-autopilot-l...
- grecy 2y ago
  > The photo is of a Jan 2018 crash So still more than 5 years out of date. Would you accept a photo of a 5 year old iPhone on an article about some iPhone limitation? Would you accept a photo of a 5 year old version of Uber on an article about some Uber limitation? Would you accept a photo of a 5 year old robot vaccum on an article about some robot vac limitation? These things all change drastically each year. Five years ago is ancient history, and it's kind of silly to think "evidence" that is more than 5 years old has any bearing on how things perform now.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    It's a picture of a crashed car. Unless you're claiming the system doesn't crash now, a picture from 2018 is just as good as a picture from last week. It's not a main piece of evidence, it's an example. The evidence is in the text of the article where it talks about hundreds of crashes. As to your questions, as long as the issue in the article applies to the model in the picture, all of those are fine. I'd want a newer picture for phones because they cycle so fast but it wouldn't be a big deal. A crashed 4 year old 2014 model and a crashed 10 year old 2014 model look the same.
    - grecy 2y ago
      It's like showing a video of an iPhone taking ages to load a web page or a very grainy photo that it took.. but it's from a 5 year old iPhone. FSD has come a LONG way in 5 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Lrrhn0CMk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Lrrhn0CMk
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        > It's like showing a video of an iPhone taking ages to load a web page or a very grainy photo that it took LOL. The disclaimer "Sequences Shortened" on ads came about because of other manufacturer complaints to the FTC about very early iPhone ads very much editing sequences to make the iPhone look faster than it was. > FSD has come a LONG way in 5 years. And has an even longer way to go. Usable means things like driving in Pittsburgh in winter at night, not "hey, look, it no longer causes near misses attempting to figure out a roundabout in suburban California in the middle of the day".
        grecy 2y ago
        Why are you changing the topic and moving the goal posts?
        reitzensteinm 2y ago
        Your first comment in this thread moved the goal posts from 2014 to 2018. Now you say we aren't allowed to move goal posts? That's, like, meta goal post moving, man.
        grecy 2y ago
        Where did I say anything about 2014? I was saying that comparing a product from 2018 to what is available today is dishonest.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        It's more like showing someone holding the iPhone taking a picture. Unless you're saying the way it crashes is qualitatively different now, in a way that you can see just looking at the car afterwards? They're not showing it in action. Also that's an Autopilot crash, not FSD.

Amusing that they went with a photo from 2014 to illustrate the article

by drcode 2y ago

Amusing that they went with a photo from 2014 to illustrate the article

I believe 2014 is the model year of that Tesla, it seems like that particular crash was in 2018. https://incidentdatabase.ai/cite/320/ https://incidentdatabase.ai/cite/320/

LeafItAlone 2y ago

It says > A 2014 Tesla Model S the vehicle is a 2014. The photo is of a Jan 2018 crash https://www.ocregister.com/2019/09/04/ntsb-tesla-autopilot-let-driver-rely-too-much-on-automation/amp/ https://www.ocregister.com/2019/09/04/ntsb-tesla-autopilot-l...

grecy 2y ago
> The photo is of a Jan 2018 crash So still more than 5 years out of date. Would you accept a photo of a 5 year old iPhone on an article about some iPhone limitation? Would you accept a photo of a 5 year old version of Uber on an article about some Uber limitation? Would you accept a photo of a 5 year old robot vaccum on an article about some robot vac limitation? These things all change drastically each year. Five years ago is ancient history, and it's kind of silly to think "evidence" that is more than 5 years old has any bearing on how things perform now.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  It's a picture of a crashed car. Unless you're claiming the system doesn't crash now, a picture from 2018 is just as good as a picture from last week. It's not a main piece of evidence, it's an example. The evidence is in the text of the article where it talks about hundreds of crashes. As to your questions, as long as the issue in the article applies to the model in the picture, all of those are fine. I'd want a newer picture for phones because they cycle so fast but it wouldn't be a big deal. A crashed 4 year old 2014 model and a crashed 10 year old 2014 model look the same.
  - grecy 2y ago
    It's like showing a video of an iPhone taking ages to load a web page or a very grainy photo that it took.. but it's from a 5 year old iPhone. FSD has come a LONG way in 5 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Lrrhn0CMk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Lrrhn0CMk
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      > It's like showing a video of an iPhone taking ages to load a web page or a very grainy photo that it took LOL. The disclaimer "Sequences Shortened" on ads came about because of other manufacturer complaints to the FTC about very early iPhone ads very much editing sequences to make the iPhone look faster than it was. > FSD has come a LONG way in 5 years. And has an even longer way to go. Usable means things like driving in Pittsburgh in winter at night, not "hey, look, it no longer causes near misses attempting to figure out a roundabout in suburban California in the middle of the day".
      - grecy 2y ago
        Why are you changing the topic and moving the goal posts?
        reitzensteinm 2y ago
        Your first comment in this thread moved the goal posts from 2014 to 2018. Now you say we aren't allowed to move goal posts? That's, like, meta goal post moving, man.
        grecy 2y ago
        Where did I say anything about 2014? I was saying that comparing a product from 2018 to what is available today is dishonest.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      It's more like showing someone holding the iPhone taking a picture. Unless you're saying the way it crashes is qualitatively different now, in a way that you can see just looking at the car afterwards? They're not showing it in action. Also that's an Autopilot crash, not FSD.