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Here's my opposing view: I love Passkeys. I use Firefox as my browser and 1Password as my password manager. On my iPhone, I use 1Password + Firefox. I look at

Here's my opposing view: I love Passkeys. I use Firefox as my browser and 1Password as my password manager. On my iPhone, I use 1Password + Firefox. I look at https://passkeys.directory/ https://passkeys.directory/ every so often and switch my logins from passwords to passkeys. This has included a lot of my common logins like GitHub, Google, and Microsoft. There is a lot of confusing terminology. For some reason sites will say "login with Touch ID" or "login with Windows Hello" instead of "login with Passkey". Aside from that quirk, I love it. 1Password syncs my passkeys between devices. I can use them both on my laptop and my phone. It would be inconvenient if I needed to login to a shared computer e.g. at a library or friend's house, but I don't do that often enough to care (though of course some people do, which is totally valid).

sedatk 3y ago
I went through passkeys.directory site and it's underwhelming. Too few sites implement it, and many implement it inconsistently: - PayPal only allows one passkey and don't support logging in with it on Firefox on Windows. You still have to use your password. - Twitter only offers it if you pay for a subscription. - Playstation Network doesn't implement usernameless, and still asks for your email to log you in with a passkey. It seems like we still have some way to go before we figure it all out.
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  > It seems like we still have some way to go before we figure it all out. You're 100% right, though I'm actually surprised that so many sites already support passkeys. If passkeys is a good idea and consumers use them, then gradually sites will shift over. Changing how everyone in the world does auth is not going to happen overnight, or even in a year.
kstrauser 3y ago
I’m with you on that. Also, 1Password’s built-in Watchtower tells you which of your saved accounts could have passkeys added to them.
mrinterweb 3y ago
Also a 1Password passkey user. It is the most portable implementation of passkeys I've used. Still, if you want portability with passkeys you have to trust some company to sync them. I don't want to need to rely on Google, Apple, or Microsoft to sync my keys because those platforms all have some lock-in. Guess 1Password is a form of vendor lock-in too, but it is one I don't mind. I don't think we should consider passkeys failed already. The widespread rollout just got started, and the ecosystem hasn't had a chance to catch up. Give it some time, and see if things get better.
- xescure 3y ago
  What about selfhosting Bitwarden?
eudes_ochoa 3y ago
Honest question, not a critique: what's the point of passkeys if you already use 1password? It unlocks with touch ID both on computers and phones, it autofills and autogenerates username and password. Plus you've got the option to fall back to manual input if you don't have 1password available in a particular device, and credential sharing (outside of 1p) becomes feasible. What's better about passkeys with 1p?
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  They're easy to use! I don't have to go through a site's normal login flow. 1Password just shows a standard prompt where I can click "sign in" Additionally, it makes 2FA quite a bit more convenient. Lastly it's the only way to login to my Georgia Tech account without opening an app on my phone which is absurdly annoying.
joe_the_user 3y ago
If your only argument is "wow, it's easy", you're not arguing from the perspective of any kind of security. I can believe it's easy. But just knowing this doesn't give you any understanding of potential downsides. Years ago I lost access to various stack-exchange accounts when Yahoo stopped offering Oauth services. Thankfully not a biggie for me but it soured me on relying on third parties for access to a given account.
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  Are you arguing against password managers or passkeys?
remram 3y ago
> It would be inconvenient if I needed to login to a shared computer Ok, I'll bite. Anyone knows how this would be done in that setup? "Can't" is a deal breaker, so is "use the password you had to generate and store in your manager anyway".
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  Most if not all providers that I've used still allow you to use a password. If you _had_ to you your passkey you'd probably have to install 1Password + the extension in your browser. This is definitely not a great workaround.
  - remram 3y ago
    I wish there was a "fast API" for password managers. You can help them autocomplete by using `type` and `autocomplete` attributes in your login form, and there is a "well-known" URL to find the password change form, but I wish there was a way to bypass the HTML page entirely. This would get us 99% of the features of Passkeys I think, where the user only interacts with the password manager's UI.

sedatk 3y ago

I went through passkeys.directory site and it's underwhelming. Too few sites implement it, and many implement it inconsistently: - PayPal only allows one passkey and don't support logging in with it on Firefox on Windows. You still have to use your password. - Twitter only offers it if you pay for a subscription. - Playstation Network doesn't implement usernameless, and still asks for your email to log you in with a passkey. It seems like we still have some way to go before we figure it all out.

shepherdjerred 3y ago
> It seems like we still have some way to go before we figure it all out. You're 100% right, though I'm actually surprised that so many sites already support passkeys. If passkeys is a good idea and consumers use them, then gradually sites will shift over. Changing how everyone in the world does auth is not going to happen overnight, or even in a year.

kstrauser 3y ago

I’m with you on that. Also, 1Password’s built-in Watchtower tells you which of your saved accounts could have passkeys added to them.

mrinterweb 3y ago

Also a 1Password passkey user. It is the most portable implementation of passkeys I've used. Still, if you want portability with passkeys you have to trust some company to sync them. I don't want to need to rely on Google, Apple, or Microsoft to sync my keys because those platforms all have some lock-in. Guess 1Password is a form of vendor lock-in too, but it is one I don't mind. I don't think we should consider passkeys failed already. The widespread rollout just got started, and the ecosystem hasn't had a chance to catch up. Give it some time, and see if things get better.

xescure 3y ago
What about selfhosting Bitwarden?

eudes_ochoa 3y ago

Honest question, not a critique: what's the point of passkeys if you already use 1password? It unlocks with touch ID both on computers and phones, it autofills and autogenerates username and password. Plus you've got the option to fall back to manual input if you don't have 1password available in a particular device, and credential sharing (outside of 1p) becomes feasible. What's better about passkeys with 1p?

shepherdjerred 3y ago
They're easy to use! I don't have to go through a site's normal login flow. 1Password just shows a standard prompt where I can click "sign in" Additionally, it makes 2FA quite a bit more convenient. Lastly it's the only way to login to my Georgia Tech account without opening an app on my phone which is absurdly annoying.

joe_the_user 3y ago

If your only argument is "wow, it's easy", you're not arguing from the perspective of any kind of security. I can believe it's easy. But just knowing this doesn't give you any understanding of potential downsides. Years ago I lost access to various stack-exchange accounts when Yahoo stopped offering Oauth services. Thankfully not a biggie for me but it soured me on relying on third parties for access to a given account.

shepherdjerred 3y ago
Are you arguing against password managers or passkeys?

remram 3y ago

> It would be inconvenient if I needed to login to a shared computer Ok, I'll bite. Anyone knows how this would be done in that setup? "Can't" is a deal breaker, so is "use the password you had to generate and store in your manager anyway".

shepherdjerred 3y ago
Most if not all providers that I've used still allow you to use a password. If you _had_ to you your passkey you'd probably have to install 1Password + the extension in your browser. This is definitely not a great workaround.
- remram 3y ago
  I wish there was a "fast API" for password managers. You can help them autocomplete by using `type` and `autocomplete` attributes in your login form, and there is a "well-known" URL to find the password change form, but I wish there was a way to bypass the HTML page entirely. This would get us 99% of the features of Passkeys I think, where the user only interacts with the password manager's UI.