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You have no idea of Whatsapp's marketshare in India - all small businesses use Whatsapp for all communication and even take payments. That's a 1.4B population.

marcosdumay 2y ago
How does whatsapp make money? (At all, and how much?) It's not possible it makes as much as the main Meta properties. It has no ads on anything people use.
- harryp_peng 2y ago
  It's not about money - how valuable the company is depends on how many people use it intersect how useful it is. As long as it's valuable, it's valuable.
- sangnoir 2y ago
  I suspect WhatsApp has a better shot at being the "everything app" compared to Twitter.
  - sharadov 2y ago
    Am guessing they want to become like "wechat"
- sharadov 2y ago
  They have a business api and take a cut of transaction fees on whatsapp pay. And they obviously cross-reference the data with Instagram/FB to sell you stuff.
  - sashank_1509 2y ago
    Meta does not have access to your WhatsApp chats as they are end to end encrypted.
    - gnabgib 2y ago
      As long as you and the recipient has encrypted backups turned on How to enable end-to-end encrypted backup[0] [0]: https://faq.whatsapp.com/490592613091019 https://faq.whatsapp.com/490592613091019
      - lmz 2y ago
        No, those are Backups stored in iCloud / Google Drive. Google / Apple have access to those, not Meta.
        gnabgib 2y ago
        They are no longer end to end encrypted if google/apple have access
        lmz 2y ago
        They are encrypted to your device and your device can upload them unencrypted in backups if you don't configure encryption. Plus the original argument was Meta did not have access.
    - the_other 2y ago
      Maybe not but they have all the timing info, the identities of the chat participants, and the facebook surveillance network. They also used to leak URLs pasted into the app out in order to generate previews, so they know what you’re linking to from within the app. Us they can infer way more about you than seems obvious at first.
tapatio 2y ago
Same in all of South America.
darkwizard42 2y ago
I have a great idea of Whatsapp's marketshare globally. I am simply pointing out the ad revenue of Whatsapp is extremely low compared to their other properties. There is simply not enough surface area in Whatsapp used for that and their business profiles etc. are not going to be outearning US users of FB/Instagram.

marcosdumay 2y ago

How does whatsapp make money? (At all, and how much?) It's not possible it makes as much as the main Meta properties. It has no ads on anything people use.

harryp_peng 2y ago
It's not about money - how valuable the company is depends on how many people use it intersect how useful it is. As long as it's valuable, it's valuable.
sangnoir 2y ago
I suspect WhatsApp has a better shot at being the "everything app" compared to Twitter.
- sharadov 2y ago
  Am guessing they want to become like "wechat"
sharadov 2y ago
They have a business api and take a cut of transaction fees on whatsapp pay. And they obviously cross-reference the data with Instagram/FB to sell you stuff.
- sashank_1509 2y ago
  Meta does not have access to your WhatsApp chats as they are end to end encrypted.
  - gnabgib 2y ago
    As long as you and the recipient has encrypted backups turned on How to enable end-to-end encrypted backup[0] [0]: https://faq.whatsapp.com/490592613091019 https://faq.whatsapp.com/490592613091019
    - lmz 2y ago
      No, those are Backups stored in iCloud / Google Drive. Google / Apple have access to those, not Meta.
      - gnabgib 2y ago
        They are no longer end to end encrypted if google/apple have access
        lmz 2y ago
        They are encrypted to your device and your device can upload them unencrypted in backups if you don't configure encryption. Plus the original argument was Meta did not have access.
  - the_other 2y ago
    Maybe not but they have all the timing info, the identities of the chat participants, and the facebook surveillance network. They also used to leak URLs pasted into the app out in order to generate previews, so they know what you’re linking to from within the app. Us they can infer way more about you than seems obvious at first.

tapatio 2y ago

Same in all of South America.

darkwizard42 2y ago

I have a great idea of Whatsapp's marketshare globally. I am simply pointing out the ad revenue of Whatsapp is extremely low compared to their other properties. There is simply not enough surface area in Whatsapp used for that and their business profiles etc. are not going to be outearning US users of FB/Instagram.