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> we don't need to do anything in generation/distribution infrastructure, we just need to roll out more chargers I just never heard that argument, if it was co

> we don't need to do anything in generation/distribution infrastructure, we just need to roll out more chargers I just never heard that argument, if it was common, or was it a Californian thing? Grid controlled charging is common in Europe where electricity rates are higher (well, outside of Norway who has plenty of cheap hydro). Americans have always seemed to take their car freedoms for granted (cheap gas! free parking! cheap electricity!). Having lived in Europe for a couple of years and then in Asia, it boggles my mind how many free things we get over here. Diablo Canyon has a warm water problem (that kills fish when the warm water is put back into the ocean), not a radiation problem. > Seattle doesn't need AC, but a lot of housing does have electric baseboard heating. Those folks would definitely notice if electricity ~quadrupled in cost! We are basically Norway: we have lots of hydro and a relatively mild climate. Heat pumps are pretty efficient.

lazide 3y ago
This discussion was specific to California, with some side discussions. Diablo Canyon has been leaking tritium. [https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1116/ML11166A174.pdf https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1116/ML11166A174.pdf] And numerous fault lines were discovered in and around the plant after construction that lead to serious concerns of structural failures and radiation leaks in the event of earthquakes. The most recent was found in 2008. Water temp hasn’t been the issue, and I have no idea where you got that from.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/environment/article258804173.html https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/environment/article... or https://www.hcn.org/articles/nuclear-energy-the-divide-over-diablo/ https://www.hcn.org/articles/nuclear-energy-the-divide-over-... Seems less paywalled. > Each day, Diablo Canyon sucks up about 2.5 billion gallons of ocean water to generate steam and cool the reactors, before spitting it — 20 degrees warmer — back into the Pacific. The water intake kills thousands of fish each year and sometimes other sea animals. The warm water discharges are also changing the marine ecosystem in Diablo Cove, driving out the bull kelp and having a detrimental effect on abalone.
  - lazide 3y ago
    None of that impacted permitted or regulatory oversight for Diablo Canyon that I saw. Regulators explicitly mentioned the issues I raised when discussing shutting it down, and even the environmentalists were saying their concerns were due to radiation/meltdown. Also, the state wanted to only run the plant at half power in favor of renewables, because reasons, making it lose money like crazy. Here is a contemporary article from when the shutdown was approved originally. [https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/End-of-an-atomic-era-PG-E-to-close-Diablo-Canyon-8314258.php https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/End-of-an-atomic-era...] I’m sure some folks are worried about the hot water discharge - but that has been going on for forever now, and the situation isn’t getting any worse. Someone will always find some reason to complain.

lazide 3y ago

This discussion was specific to California, with some side discussions. Diablo Canyon has been leaking tritium. [https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1116/ML11166A174.pdf https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1116/ML11166A174.pdf] And numerous fault lines were discovered in and around the plant after construction that lead to serious concerns of structural failures and radiation leaks in the event of earthquakes. The most recent was found in 2008. Water temp hasn’t been the issue, and I have no idea where you got that from.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/environment/article258804173.html https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/environment/article... or https://www.hcn.org/articles/nuclear-energy-the-divide-over-diablo/ https://www.hcn.org/articles/nuclear-energy-the-divide-over-... Seems less paywalled. > Each day, Diablo Canyon sucks up about 2.5 billion gallons of ocean water to generate steam and cool the reactors, before spitting it — 20 degrees warmer — back into the Pacific. The water intake kills thousands of fish each year and sometimes other sea animals. The warm water discharges are also changing the marine ecosystem in Diablo Cove, driving out the bull kelp and having a detrimental effect on abalone.
- lazide 3y ago
  None of that impacted permitted or regulatory oversight for Diablo Canyon that I saw. Regulators explicitly mentioned the issues I raised when discussing shutting it down, and even the environmentalists were saying their concerns were due to radiation/meltdown. Also, the state wanted to only run the plant at half power in favor of renewables, because reasons, making it lose money like crazy. Here is a contemporary article from when the shutdown was approved originally. [https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/End-of-an-atomic-era-PG-E-to-close-Diablo-Canyon-8314258.php https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/End-of-an-atomic-era...] I’m sure some folks are worried about the hot water discharge - but that has been going on for forever now, and the situation isn’t getting any worse. Someone will always find some reason to complain.