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I'm curious if you could speak to this a bit more, I've had an itch to build something like this on the backburner for many moons. My initial guiding instinct

I'm curious if you could speak to this a bit more, I've had an itch to build something like this on the backburner for many moons. My initial guiding instinct is roughly the same, hard to word without inviting caveats, but: todos/calendar are the same thing as I'm going about my day. Either I'm doing something, or I want to know what I should be doing. > Having a list of to-dos that followed you every day if not completed wasn't a common task. This bit went over my head: is the idea that it was rare to have a todo _without_ a date, so it wasn't a common thing to have ex. 20 todos without dates rolling over day to day cluttering up the UI?

msephton 3y ago
Just try the app for yourself.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  Datebk6 on Palm OS? Is "just" the right word? :) Let's say I find a PalmOS emulator, pirate a system image, pirate Datebk6, put in some dummy data. Could that explain what the post meant re: commonality of having todos rollover? I don't think so. That's not a function of the software, that's a function of a particular use of the software. Would using it be the same as getting the wisdom from a passionate user? I don't think so. Living with PIM software is such a different beast from demoing it.
  - msephton 3y ago
    Really you'd want to both try it for yourself and get wisdom from somebody else. Otherwise, how would you know if they were right/wrong, correct/incorrect? Emulator to run Palm apps on your smart phone https://cloudpilot-emu.github.io/ https://cloudpilot-emu.github.io/ Just asking somebody is a very minimum effort approach. Reach higher!
  - j45 3y ago
    Watching swimming and listening to experiences on swimming might not be the best way to learn how to swim, literally and figuratively in a problem space. It’s hard to know where the currents in the water might be and how to navigate them. Experiencing todos that roll over would show up pretty quick in using DateBk6 in an emulator. Install it and try to use it every day. There might be a video on YouTube. After PalmOS, for a while I actually bought any mobile device I could get a PalmOS emulator on to for DateBk6 while I looked for a replacement. It was only so good on an emulator though for day to day use. I’ma product person. Getting “wisdom” from a “passionate user” likely rarely is the same as also experiencing it yourself and ensuring you have more than than a passing interest in the space. I had the problem of a really busy period in my life in my 20’s that this helped with. It almost was an unfair advantage. From time to time, I meet other folks who like this topic deeply, only because it helped them learn to not accomplish so much, but maybe have been really effective with their time at a period when it really mattered.
j45 3y ago
Haha, me too. I avoided it even though building a todo list is a right of passage. The main thing most task or calendar apps have failed on for me is when tasks and calendars are completely unaware of the other. It’s fair that all software has an origin story and resulting product arc, and solves a problem in a certain way. Still, a calendar that integrated tasks and calendar well is elusive. Honestly, trying the app is the best way as another post has said. The author may still be pretty accessible, I still remember my interactions with him I becoming a customer. My belief is everything is a todo. Including calendar bookings. It becomes a task when it’s scheduled and completed. From a calendar view when you check a task becomes the date and time it would have been listed on a. Calendar. Happy to chat offline, maybe there’s something here now. I don’t know if it’s an instinct thing. Entering thousands of tasks and completing them in lots of different apps helps though. I get the feeling I may not be the only one who’s tried to find something. DateBk6’s todo feature was a little sublime, and configurable. If you had a task today you didn’t complete it would push over until tomorrow. This was entirely uncommon. It could be placed at the top of the list the next day, etc. Practicing GTD to DateBk6 remains the most productive combo I’ve ever used. Android, iPhone, Windows mobile has never come close. Too many taps ands magical pageantry filled gestures just to open an app and add a task. With palm it was just a button. I had set mine to press was fn+Calendar. Maybe someone can built a phone case with a few shortcut buttons on it. For a while I used an Android app that detected fingerprints on the back. Different finger to launch different apps was handy. Todos without a date could be just batched/contextualized work you have to do, gtd style during a time block. For example longer emails. There is an app called Motion you may have seen ads for that is starting to do some interesting things in this area. Another app that is really decent is 2Do.

msephton 3y ago

Just try the app for yourself.

refulgentis 3y ago
Datebk6 on Palm OS? Is "just" the right word? :) Let's say I find a PalmOS emulator, pirate a system image, pirate Datebk6, put in some dummy data. Could that explain what the post meant re: commonality of having todos rollover? I don't think so. That's not a function of the software, that's a function of a particular use of the software. Would using it be the same as getting the wisdom from a passionate user? I don't think so. Living with PIM software is such a different beast from demoing it.
- msephton 3y ago
  Really you'd want to both try it for yourself and get wisdom from somebody else. Otherwise, how would you know if they were right/wrong, correct/incorrect? Emulator to run Palm apps on your smart phone https://cloudpilot-emu.github.io/ https://cloudpilot-emu.github.io/ Just asking somebody is a very minimum effort approach. Reach higher!
- j45 3y ago
  Watching swimming and listening to experiences on swimming might not be the best way to learn how to swim, literally and figuratively in a problem space. It’s hard to know where the currents in the water might be and how to navigate them. Experiencing todos that roll over would show up pretty quick in using DateBk6 in an emulator. Install it and try to use it every day. There might be a video on YouTube. After PalmOS, for a while I actually bought any mobile device I could get a PalmOS emulator on to for DateBk6 while I looked for a replacement. It was only so good on an emulator though for day to day use. I’ma product person. Getting “wisdom” from a “passionate user” likely rarely is the same as also experiencing it yourself and ensuring you have more than than a passing interest in the space. I had the problem of a really busy period in my life in my 20’s that this helped with. It almost was an unfair advantage. From time to time, I meet other folks who like this topic deeply, only because it helped them learn to not accomplish so much, but maybe have been really effective with their time at a period when it really mattered.

j45 3y ago

Haha, me too. I avoided it even though building a todo list is a right of passage. The main thing most task or calendar apps have failed on for me is when tasks and calendars are completely unaware of the other. It’s fair that all software has an origin story and resulting product arc, and solves a problem in a certain way. Still, a calendar that integrated tasks and calendar well is elusive. Honestly, trying the app is the best way as another post has said. The author may still be pretty accessible, I still remember my interactions with him I becoming a customer. My belief is everything is a todo. Including calendar bookings. It becomes a task when it’s scheduled and completed. From a calendar view when you check a task becomes the date and time it would have been listed on a. Calendar. Happy to chat offline, maybe there’s something here now. I don’t know if it’s an instinct thing. Entering thousands of tasks and completing them in lots of different apps helps though. I get the feeling I may not be the only one who’s tried to find something. DateBk6’s todo feature was a little sublime, and configurable. If you had a task today you didn’t complete it would push over until tomorrow. This was entirely uncommon. It could be placed at the top of the list the next day, etc. Practicing GTD to DateBk6 remains the most productive combo I’ve ever used. Android, iPhone, Windows mobile has never come close. Too many taps ands magical pageantry filled gestures just to open an app and add a task. With palm it was just a button. I had set mine to press was fn+Calendar. Maybe someone can built a phone case with a few shortcut buttons on it. For a while I used an Android app that detected fingerprints on the back. Different finger to launch different apps was handy. Todos without a date could be just batched/contextualized work you have to do, gtd style during a time block. For example longer emails. There is an app called Motion you may have seen ads for that is starting to do some interesting things in this area. Another app that is really decent is 2Do.