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US is also open to the idea to use military force and not only on their neighbours but also on countries far away. US is in cold war with China because China m

US is also open to the idea to use military force and not only on their neighbours but also on countries far away. US is in cold war with China because China might soon be economicaly getting upper hand.

mort96 3y ago
I don't get your first paragraph. Of course the US is open to the idea of using military force against, well, pretty much anyone. I don't see how that's relevant, other than as some form of pointing out hypocrisy? Or are you actually saying that "because the US is prepared to do its own military action, it categorically doesn't enter cold wars with other countries based on which military actions the other country could do"? I don't understand.
- ExoticPearTree 3y ago
  Hypocrisy mostly. You can’t tell others to stop doing what you keep doing. The US considers all of LATAM as his own back yard. Why can’t China consider all of Asia as its own back yard? This is what upsets people, the sheer size of hypocrisy.
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    So two wrongs make a right?
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      No the GP, but their point is that the US can't complain about how China treats the rest of Asia when it looks so similar to how the US has treated Latin America. That doesn't mean either side was right, or that one justifies the other. Only that the pot should into call the kettle black.
      - shiroiushi 3y ago
        >or that one justifies the other That is absolutely the implication here.
        _heimdall 3y ago
        I definitely read it differently, but maybe I did misunderstand them. The commenter's focus on hypocrisy reads to me more like they take issue with the US calling China out for this rather then justifying what China is doing because they aren't the only ones.
        ExoticPearTree 3y ago
        The first one :) My point is that you lose all moral high ground lecturing countries on how they should behave when you're doing the exactly same thing.
    - aurareturn 3y ago
      If your military is powerful enough, yes. The point is that the US has set a precedence on military power around the world. The US told the world that using military power for your own country's benefit is ok to do. So why can't China?
  - mort96 3y ago
    I was more interested in their answer, I don't think you have much more insight into what they meant than I do
    - omnimus 3y ago
      Hypocrisy mostly.
bluepizza 3y ago
The only way that China gets an upper hand economically is by selling products to the US and the Western world. If they enter into a conflict where they are cordoned off, their export oriented economy would crash immediately. A war between China and USA is impossible to win for either sides, due to both military size, budgets, interdependence, and nuclear weapons arsenal. And this is why it's a cold war.
- ChrisRR 3y ago
  Not really. China has so much manufacturing power that if they limited exports and focused on manufacturing for inland it would have major economic shifts for both china and the west. That's the problem with the world putting all of their manufacturing eggs in one basket
  - Sammi 3y ago
    Sell domestically to whom? Domestic buyers ain't buying. That's why they are exporting.
- psychoslave 3y ago
  > The only way that China gets an upper hand economically is by selling products to the US and the Western world. I am not a geopolitician, but this looks like a little too simplistic perspective, doesn’t it? I mean China diversified its wallet, including by helping to create infrastructures in Africa where there is still a largely growing young population (in contrast to the general trend in the occidental countries, or even what the long standing single child policy led to in China).
  - hobo_mark 3y ago
    If western demand goes away, you think African demand can compensate for that? Domestic would be more realistic, and even there China has nowhere near enough domestic consumption to keep the system running, let alone sustain historical growth rates.
fennecbutt 3y ago
Without the West, China would collapse economically. I mean literally collapse, ever heard of tofu-dreg?

mort96 3y ago

I don't get your first paragraph. Of course the US is open to the idea of using military force against, well, pretty much anyone. I don't see how that's relevant, other than as some form of pointing out hypocrisy? Or are you actually saying that "because the US is prepared to do its own military action, it categorically doesn't enter cold wars with other countries based on which military actions the other country could do"? I don't understand.

ExoticPearTree 3y ago
Hypocrisy mostly. You can’t tell others to stop doing what you keep doing. The US considers all of LATAM as his own back yard. Why can’t China consider all of Asia as its own back yard? This is what upsets people, the sheer size of hypocrisy.
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  So two wrongs make a right?
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    No the GP, but their point is that the US can't complain about how China treats the rest of Asia when it looks so similar to how the US has treated Latin America. That doesn't mean either side was right, or that one justifies the other. Only that the pot should into call the kettle black.
    - shiroiushi 3y ago
      >or that one justifies the other That is absolutely the implication here.
      - _heimdall 3y ago
        I definitely read it differently, but maybe I did misunderstand them. The commenter's focus on hypocrisy reads to me more like they take issue with the US calling China out for this rather then justifying what China is doing because they aren't the only ones.
        ExoticPearTree 3y ago
        The first one :) My point is that you lose all moral high ground lecturing countries on how they should behave when you're doing the exactly same thing.
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    If your military is powerful enough, yes. The point is that the US has set a precedence on military power around the world. The US told the world that using military power for your own country's benefit is ok to do. So why can't China?
- mort96 3y ago
  I was more interested in their answer, I don't think you have much more insight into what they meant than I do
  - omnimus 3y ago
    Hypocrisy mostly.

bluepizza 3y ago

The only way that China gets an upper hand economically is by selling products to the US and the Western world. If they enter into a conflict where they are cordoned off, their export oriented economy would crash immediately. A war between China and USA is impossible to win for either sides, due to both military size, budgets, interdependence, and nuclear weapons arsenal. And this is why it's a cold war.

ChrisRR 3y ago
Not really. China has so much manufacturing power that if they limited exports and focused on manufacturing for inland it would have major economic shifts for both china and the west. That's the problem with the world putting all of their manufacturing eggs in one basket
- Sammi 3y ago
  Sell domestically to whom? Domestic buyers ain't buying. That's why they are exporting.
psychoslave 3y ago
> The only way that China gets an upper hand economically is by selling products to the US and the Western world. I am not a geopolitician, but this looks like a little too simplistic perspective, doesn’t it? I mean China diversified its wallet, including by helping to create infrastructures in Africa where there is still a largely growing young population (in contrast to the general trend in the occidental countries, or even what the long standing single child policy led to in China).
- hobo_mark 3y ago
  If western demand goes away, you think African demand can compensate for that? Domestic would be more realistic, and even there China has nowhere near enough domestic consumption to keep the system running, let alone sustain historical growth rates.

fennecbutt 3y ago

Without the West, China would collapse economically. I mean literally collapse, ever heard of tofu-dreg?