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Yes, the American government is comfortable with American companies having deeper access to American data than foreign adversaries. It's not about what's being

Yes, the American government is comfortable with American companies having deeper access to American data than foreign adversaries. It's not about what's being done, it's about who's doing it.

Uhhrrr 2y ago
It's American (and any other country's) data about stupid little videos. Who cares? The case for harm has not been made.
- marcofiset 2y ago
  It’s a mass manipulation tool, controlled by foreign interests.
  - Uhhrrr 2y ago
    Only in that it's a cultural artifact, like YouTube or Bollywood movies or anime. We don't ban those.
    - zeroonetwothree 2y ago
      Are those owned by China?
      - Uhhrrr 2y ago
        Why does the source matter to you?
        hhjinks 2y ago
        Because the mass manipulation tool is owned by a foreign adversary with a vested interest in manipulating the US to weaken it on the international stage, so that it can establish a new global hegemony. A more interesting question; why doesn't the source matter to you?
        Uhhrrr 2y ago
        Because the content is funny dance videos. I don't think you can get to global hegemony with that.
    - Rastonbury 2y ago
      I live in Asia and have seen pro-chinese propaganda being repeated by some people, mass influence by nation states is a real thing
      - Uhhrrr 2y ago
        People repeat propaganda when it appeals to them, but any marketer can tell you customers are fickle.
- eureka-belief 2y ago
  Apps track information of all kinds about you and it’s not hard at all to link this data to your real world identity. Even just the search and watch history would be a goldmine for any foreign (or domestic) spy program, especially if you consider what was discussed in the Snowden leaks. “The case for harm has not been made” Do you think the American government would say publicly “we know China is exploiting this data because that’s exactly what we do and China is even worse than us.
  - Uhhrrr 2y ago
    This is true for any app, and tracking people who watch stupid videos is not useful for national security. The Snowden leaks were bad because they showed Americans spied on without warrants. This is about users who for better or worse install the app intentionally. I'm glad you agree that the US government has not actually made the case for harm.
    - meepmorp 2y ago
      > The Snowden leaks were bad because The Snowden leaks were bad because they exposed a lot of 100% legal, directly part of their charter activity by the NSA, like monitoring the communications of foreign leaders and other non-US persons.
      - Uhhrrr 2y ago
        This is incorrect: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN25T3CJ/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN25T3CJ/ "n a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans' telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act"
        meepmorp 2y ago
        This article is unrelated to what I was talking about; you should go back and read both what I said (specifically who I mentioned being targeted for surveillance) and the article you linked (specifically who is mentioned being targeted for surveillance).
cogman10 2y ago
Is China really a foreign adversary? I get that we aren't best buds with china but they are also a huge trade partner with the US. Bigger than many countries which we have friendlier feelings towards.
- j0ba 2y ago
  YES
  - cogman10 2y ago
    What sort of adversarial actions have they taken against the US? The most recent one I can think of is responding with tariffs against the US after we put tariffs on their solar exports. Beyond that... the Korean war I think was the last time we were any sort of direct/semi direct conflict with them. And Taiwan is the touchiest aspect we have with them.
    - goliathDown 2y ago
      What type of company does China keep? Last I checked, they were pretty buddy-buddy with Russia, and North korea on an estranged leash. If we know other countries fund terrorist organizations for intent of undermining western influence, is it that big of a stretch to say China is probably doing the same thing? You can't use 'direct conflict' as a measure in this type of game. Russia has done damning harm to american politics, but its not clear how to measure that effect.
    - eureka-belief 2y ago
      Large scale hacking of US companies, IP theft, brinksmanship regarding issue of Taiwan (backed by real incentive to follow through) where have you been?
      - caeril 2y ago
        > Large scale hacking of US companies This is a solid point. What most people don't get is that despite the enormous investment the CIA, NSA, and DoD Sigint have made into their offensive security teams, most of their budget is dedicated to Friday team-building activities, Bowling Nights, and Foosball tables. The US definitely does not hack anybody. "Everyone but FVEY are the super evil hackerz" is a childish, head-in-the-sand position to hold in the modern geopolitical climate. Everyone is hacking everyone, and China is not some sort of unique Bad Guy in this regard.
matsemann 2y ago
But to me it's more scary what American companies and government can do with that data towards me. China having it doesn't affect my unless I'm going there.

Yes, the American government is comfortable with American companies having deeper access to American data than foreign adversaries. It's not about what's being done, it's about who's doing it.

Uhhrrr 2y ago

It's American (and any other country's) data about stupid little videos. Who cares? The case for harm has not been made.

marcofiset 2y ago
It’s a mass manipulation tool, controlled by foreign interests.
- Uhhrrr 2y ago
  Only in that it's a cultural artifact, like YouTube or Bollywood movies or anime. We don't ban those.
  - zeroonetwothree 2y ago
    Are those owned by China?
    - Uhhrrr 2y ago
      Why does the source matter to you?
      - hhjinks 2y ago
        Because the mass manipulation tool is owned by a foreign adversary with a vested interest in manipulating the US to weaken it on the international stage, so that it can establish a new global hegemony. A more interesting question; why doesn't the source matter to you?
        Uhhrrr 2y ago
        Because the content is funny dance videos. I don't think you can get to global hegemony with that.
  - Rastonbury 2y ago
    I live in Asia and have seen pro-chinese propaganda being repeated by some people, mass influence by nation states is a real thing
    - Uhhrrr 2y ago
      People repeat propaganda when it appeals to them, but any marketer can tell you customers are fickle.
eureka-belief 2y ago
Apps track information of all kinds about you and it’s not hard at all to link this data to your real world identity. Even just the search and watch history would be a goldmine for any foreign (or domestic) spy program, especially if you consider what was discussed in the Snowden leaks. “The case for harm has not been made” Do you think the American government would say publicly “we know China is exploiting this data because that’s exactly what we do and China is even worse than us.
- Uhhrrr 2y ago
  This is true for any app, and tracking people who watch stupid videos is not useful for national security. The Snowden leaks were bad because they showed Americans spied on without warrants. This is about users who for better or worse install the app intentionally. I'm glad you agree that the US government has not actually made the case for harm.
  - meepmorp 2y ago
    > The Snowden leaks were bad because The Snowden leaks were bad because they exposed a lot of 100% legal, directly part of their charter activity by the NSA, like monitoring the communications of foreign leaders and other non-US persons.
    - Uhhrrr 2y ago
      This is incorrect: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN25T3CJ/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN25T3CJ/ "n a ruling handed down on Wednesday, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit said the warrantless telephone dragnet that secretly collected millions of Americans' telephone records violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act"
      - meepmorp 2y ago
        This article is unrelated to what I was talking about; you should go back and read both what I said (specifically who I mentioned being targeted for surveillance) and the article you linked (specifically who is mentioned being targeted for surveillance).

cogman10 2y ago

Is China really a foreign adversary? I get that we aren't best buds with china but they are also a huge trade partner with the US. Bigger than many countries which we have friendlier feelings towards.

j0ba 2y ago
YES
- cogman10 2y ago
  What sort of adversarial actions have they taken against the US? The most recent one I can think of is responding with tariffs against the US after we put tariffs on their solar exports. Beyond that... the Korean war I think was the last time we were any sort of direct/semi direct conflict with them. And Taiwan is the touchiest aspect we have with them.
  - goliathDown 2y ago
    What type of company does China keep? Last I checked, they were pretty buddy-buddy with Russia, and North korea on an estranged leash. If we know other countries fund terrorist organizations for intent of undermining western influence, is it that big of a stretch to say China is probably doing the same thing? You can't use 'direct conflict' as a measure in this type of game. Russia has done damning harm to american politics, but its not clear how to measure that effect.
  - eureka-belief 2y ago
    Large scale hacking of US companies, IP theft, brinksmanship regarding issue of Taiwan (backed by real incentive to follow through) where have you been?
    - caeril 2y ago
      > Large scale hacking of US companies This is a solid point. What most people don't get is that despite the enormous investment the CIA, NSA, and DoD Sigint have made into their offensive security teams, most of their budget is dedicated to Friday team-building activities, Bowling Nights, and Foosball tables. The US definitely does not hack anybody. "Everyone but FVEY are the super evil hackerz" is a childish, head-in-the-sand position to hold in the modern geopolitical climate. Everyone is hacking everyone, and China is not some sort of unique Bad Guy in this regard.

matsemann 2y ago

But to me it's more scary what American companies and government can do with that data towards me. China having it doesn't affect my unless I'm going there.