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Who's the paid blogger?

koenigdavidmj 14y ago
Florian Mueller. http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mueller+is+Being+Paid+by+Oracle/article24633.htm http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue...
nooooooo 14y ago
Florian Mueller?
jacquesm 14y ago
Florian al-Sahaf
mintplant 14y ago
Most likely a reference to Florian Mueller, of http://www.fosspatents.com/ http://www.fosspatents.com/ Detail: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/1357207/florian-mueller-outs-himself-as-oracle-employee http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/1357207/florian-muell...
- cooldeal 14y ago
  Is there any evidence that PJ is not a paid blogger herself? At least Florian was honest to declare on his blog that he was paid by Oracle to do some work and his blog might be tainted by that.
  - air 14y ago
    Florian pretended to be a FOSS advocate for a very long time and refused to disclose his clients, when it was clear for all that he was being paid by Microsoft.
    - taligent 14y ago
      And you can't be both ? Or does that mean that I should ignore anyone who is being paid by a company. Because that would be almost everyone, right ?
      - air 14y ago
        "And you can't be both ?" His "FOSS advocacy" for the last few years has consistently been solely cheering for every patent and copyright suit against open source software. "Or does that mean that I should ignore anyone who is being paid by a company." Being paid for PR that borders astroturfing and refusing to disclose that is over the line for me.
        Natsu 14y ago
        I did think that he also campaigned against software patents in Europe, though I think there was controversy there, too, concerning his methods.
        ZeroGravitas 14y ago
        At that time he campaigned against Software Patents because he was being paid to do so by Red Hat and MySQL. Now he's funded by Microsoft and Oracle.
      - ktizo 14y ago
        You should possibly recognise that being paid to hold an opinion is very different from being paid for an opinion.
  - joe_the_user 14y ago
    Your ad hominem is rather disgusting. Put up evidence or shut up. I called Florian as a corporate shill here more than a year ago based on publicly available information. I believe him "outing himself" is more recent. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2128882 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2128882 Edit: Also pj called it. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120419070127103 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120419070127103
    - cooldeal 14y ago
      >I called Florian as a corporate shill here more than a year ago based on publicly available information. I believe him "outing himself" is more recent. So if Florian made up a pseudonym like PJ did, and posted articles only with it, he would have avoided your scrutiny of publicly available info and "outing" and all that, right? >Put up evidence or shut up. There is no way for the common person do that, So the moral of the story is there is that Florian should made sure that there was no public information about him like PJ very successfully did and he would've been shielded from all the shill accusations like PJ is now? It's funny to to see Groklaw lob the accusations while not revealing anything about PJ that will allow someone to do some research like you did.
      - nknight 14y ago
        Why, exactly is it OK for you to make up a pseudonym and libel Ms. Jones? I demand disclosure. Your full name, your address, your phone, bank, and tax records for the past year, social security statement, and a sworn affidavit that you have never been paid by, had any financial interest in, or were related to anyone with an interest in, IBM, SCO, Oracle, Google, Novell, and any media outlet that has ever given critical or favorable coverage to any of these companies. If you don't comply within 24 hours, I'll assume you're simply a troll and paid shill. Edit: Downvoters may want to consult "cooldeal"'s other comments on this very page for context. I'm simply demanding of him what he demands of others.
        cooldeal 14y ago
        >libel Ms. Jones? See, this is the exact attitude I am talking about. Anyone even questioning PJ's funding sources is immediately vilified, hated on and modded down to death. While the same about Florian are modded up to the sky and it's totally okay to do that since he's not batting on your side, even if he's the one that has disclosed his interests.
  - ktizo 14y ago
    I don't know if PJ is paid by any of the parties involved, but I do know that PJ has actual legal experience as a paralegal, which is the main reason I think that her analysis carries weight when compared to those with no professional legal experience. Also with no evidence of PJ being paid by Google, it would seem to be an unfair assumption to make.
  - cooldeal 14y ago
    Thank you HN for making me bleed karma for my posts in this story and turning them light gray. Meanwhile, not a single downmod(and probably many upvotes) on someone calling Florian a dick and a bastard(so much for HN etiquette). http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4014970 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4014970 I give, Florian Mueller is a bastard, can I too get some karma? /s
    - jrockway 14y ago
      I give, Florian Mueller is a bastard, can I too get some karma? Sorry, you have to mean it.
    - gvb 14y ago
      FWIIW, I downvoted that comment. It used inappropriate language, it was tasteless, uninformative, and clearly against HN etiquette. I downvoted your post (above) as well for the same reasons.
shabda 14y ago
I was referring Florian Mueller, I think.

Florian Mueller. http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mueller+is+Being+Paid+by+Oracle/article24633.htm http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue...

nooooooo 14y ago

Florian Mueller?

jacquesm 14y ago

Florian al-Sahaf

mintplant 14y ago

Most likely a reference to Florian Mueller, of http://www.fosspatents.com/ http://www.fosspatents.com/ Detail: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/1357207/florian-mueller-outs-himself-as-oracle-employee http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/1357207/florian-muell...

cooldeal 14y ago
Is there any evidence that PJ is not a paid blogger herself? At least Florian was honest to declare on his blog that he was paid by Oracle to do some work and his blog might be tainted by that.
- air 14y ago
  Florian pretended to be a FOSS advocate for a very long time and refused to disclose his clients, when it was clear for all that he was being paid by Microsoft.
  - taligent 14y ago
    And you can't be both ? Or does that mean that I should ignore anyone who is being paid by a company. Because that would be almost everyone, right ?
    - air 14y ago
      "And you can't be both ?" His "FOSS advocacy" for the last few years has consistently been solely cheering for every patent and copyright suit against open source software. "Or does that mean that I should ignore anyone who is being paid by a company." Being paid for PR that borders astroturfing and refusing to disclose that is over the line for me.
      - Natsu 14y ago
        I did think that he also campaigned against software patents in Europe, though I think there was controversy there, too, concerning his methods.
        ZeroGravitas 14y ago
        At that time he campaigned against Software Patents because he was being paid to do so by Red Hat and MySQL. Now he's funded by Microsoft and Oracle.
    - ktizo 14y ago
      You should possibly recognise that being paid to hold an opinion is very different from being paid for an opinion.
- joe_the_user 14y ago
  Your ad hominem is rather disgusting. Put up evidence or shut up. I called Florian as a corporate shill here more than a year ago based on publicly available information. I believe him "outing himself" is more recent. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2128882 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2128882 Edit: Also pj called it. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120419070127103 http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120419070127103
  - cooldeal 14y ago
    >I called Florian as a corporate shill here more than a year ago based on publicly available information. I believe him "outing himself" is more recent. So if Florian made up a pseudonym like PJ did, and posted articles only with it, he would have avoided your scrutiny of publicly available info and "outing" and all that, right? >Put up evidence or shut up. There is no way for the common person do that, So the moral of the story is there is that Florian should made sure that there was no public information about him like PJ very successfully did and he would've been shielded from all the shill accusations like PJ is now? It's funny to to see Groklaw lob the accusations while not revealing anything about PJ that will allow someone to do some research like you did.
    - nknight 14y ago
      Why, exactly is it OK for you to make up a pseudonym and libel Ms. Jones? I demand disclosure. Your full name, your address, your phone, bank, and tax records for the past year, social security statement, and a sworn affidavit that you have never been paid by, had any financial interest in, or were related to anyone with an interest in, IBM, SCO, Oracle, Google, Novell, and any media outlet that has ever given critical or favorable coverage to any of these companies. If you don't comply within 24 hours, I'll assume you're simply a troll and paid shill. Edit: Downvoters may want to consult "cooldeal"'s other comments on this very page for context. I'm simply demanding of him what he demands of others.
      - cooldeal 14y ago
        >libel Ms. Jones? See, this is the exact attitude I am talking about. Anyone even questioning PJ's funding sources is immediately vilified, hated on and modded down to death. While the same about Florian are modded up to the sky and it's totally okay to do that since he's not batting on your side, even if he's the one that has disclosed his interests.
- ktizo 14y ago
  I don't know if PJ is paid by any of the parties involved, but I do know that PJ has actual legal experience as a paralegal, which is the main reason I think that her analysis carries weight when compared to those with no professional legal experience. Also with no evidence of PJ being paid by Google, it would seem to be an unfair assumption to make.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  Thank you HN for making me bleed karma for my posts in this story and turning them light gray. Meanwhile, not a single downmod(and probably many upvotes) on someone calling Florian a dick and a bastard(so much for HN etiquette). http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4014970 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4014970 I give, Florian Mueller is a bastard, can I too get some karma? /s
  - jrockway 14y ago
    I give, Florian Mueller is a bastard, can I too get some karma? Sorry, you have to mean it.
  - gvb 14y ago
    FWIIW, I downvoted that comment. It used inappropriate language, it was tasteless, uninformative, and clearly against HN etiquette. I downvoted your post (above) as well for the same reasons.

shabda 14y ago

I was referring Florian Mueller, I think.