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Kudos to the jury. They put a lot of effort into understanding the issue at hand. Based on courtroom reporting, the jury paid attention and they asked clarify
by parfe 14y ago
Kudos to the jury. They put a lot of effort into understanding the issue at hand. Based on courtroom reporting, the jury paid attention and they asked clarifying questions while deliberating to make sure they understood. Software patents are a mess. Oracle's arguments were terrible from a CS standpoint (and their expert should be embarrassed).
I believe the only issue still on the table is API copyrightability which Judge Aslup will rule on as a matter of law. The jury found for Oracle in that instance because the jury instructions essentially mandated it. I expect Aslup will rule for Google on that claim as well.
Oracle's current claim for money is literally for 9 lines of code called rangeCheck (which anyone in a high school intro to java class could write), and 8 test files copied by a subcontractor and never distributed to end users.
A certain Oracle paid blogger will still manage to post how Oracle basically got everything it wanted.
- pratikjhaveri 14y agoWho's the paid blogger?
- koenigdavidmj 14y agoFlorian Mueller. http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mueller+is+Being+Paid+by+Oracle/article24633.htm http://www.dailytech.com/Top+AntiAndroid+Blogger+Florian+Mue...
- nooooooo 14y agoFlorian Mueller?
- jacquesm 14y agoFlorian al-Sahaf
- mintplant 14y agoMost likely a reference to Florian Mueller, of http://www.fosspatents.com/ http://www.fosspatents.com/ Detail: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/1357207/florian-mueller-outs-himself-as-oracle-employee http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/19/1357207/florian-muell...
- cooldeal 14y agoIs there any evidence that PJ is not a paid blogger herself? At least Florian was honest to declare on his blog that he was paid by Oracle to do some work and his blog might be tainted by that.
- air 14y agoFlorian pretended to be a FOSS advocate for a very long time and refused to disclose his clients, when it was clear for all that he was being paid by Microsoft.
- taligent 14y agoAnd you can't be both ? Or does that mean that I should ignore anyone who is being paid by a company. Because that would be almost everyone, right ?
- air 14y ago"And you can't be both ?" His "FOSS advocacy" for the last few years has consistently been solely cheering for every patent and copyright suit against open source software. "Or does that mean that I should ignore anyone who is being paid by a company." Being paid for PR that borders astroturfing and refusing to disclose that is over the line for me.
- Natsu 14y agoI did think that he also campaigned against software patents in Europe, though I think there was controversy there, too, concerning his methods.
- ZeroGravitas 14y agoAt that time he campaigned against Software Patents because he was being paid to do so by Red Hat and MySQL. Now he's funded by Microsoft and Oracle.
- shabda 14y agoI was referring Florian Mueller, I think.
- nknight 14y agoUnless they stipulated to something I missed, there's actually another very important issue on the table: Fair use. The jury decided Google "infringed", but couldn't agree whether the fair use defense applied. If Alsup rules APIs are not copyrightable, the fair use defense is moot and we're done (barring appeal, which will surely happen), but if he were to go the other way, fair use may have to be re-litigated in front of a new jury.
- parfe 14y agoJust saw this tweet from a journalist: Dan Levine @FedcourtJunkie: We all just interviewed juror, who said jury was split 9-3 for google on copyright fair use. Um, wow. https://twitter.com/FedcourtJunkie/status/205370887078285313 https://twitter.com/FedcourtJunkie/status/205370887078285313
- nknight 14y ago"Wow" is right. There's also this interesting gem right after: https://twitter.com/FedcourtJunkie/status/205371711233851392 https://twitter.com/FedcourtJunkie/status/205371711233851392 > Juror said it was his opinion that more tech savvy jurors were less likely to go for limits on openness. Ie they were pro google This really says it all. Ultimately Oracle can only win if the jury is borderline luddite.
- RivieraKid 14y agoThe judge is a programmer by the way: http://www.i-programmer.info/news/193-android/4224-oracle-v-google-judge-is-a-programmer.html http://www.i-programmer.info/news/193-android/4224-oracle-v-...
- monochromatic 14y agoJudge, not jury.
- krschultz 14y agoThat is incredible! It's easy to knock the courts, but I think it's worth remembering that becoming a federal judge is very difficult and most of these guys have impressive backgrounds.