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I used to never pirate, paid for everything. I was dumb and bought Mythbusters on a PS4 many years ago. Can no longer watch it, they removed the content. Have

I used to never pirate, paid for everything. I was dumb and bought Mythbusters on a PS4 many years ago. Can no longer watch it, they removed the content. Have HBO Max, they had Mythbusters on it, started watching it again. Midway through they started to remove content. I bought a show, and can no longer watch it, can't even watch it on a streaming service, that I pay for, that owns the rights to the content. I'm full on pirate now. I gave them money and they removed my ability to watch the content I paid for.

xattt 2y ago
Is it piracy if it’s content you purchased in the past but access was removed? In my mind, it’s absolutely not. This is just plain double-dipping bullshit.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
  If you bought a VHS you don't have automatic rights to a BluRay copy.
  - chii 2y ago
    But you do have the right to transcribe your VHS copy to bluray yourself. Format conversion is not illegal.
    - wil421 2y ago
      For VHS yes but breaking DRM on Blu Rays is illegal and you have to do it to copy them. However, to my knowledge no one has ever been prosecuted for breaking the DRM on a blu ray. Unless they shared the copy online.
    - etrautmann 2y ago
      Isn’t this discussion about that’s ethical and moral, rather that what’s legal?
      - drivingmenuts 2y ago
        Morals and ethics have no place in a court of law. Or, another way to think about it: morals and ethics cover human-to-human transactions. Legality covers human-to-corporate interactions. Because corporations are not people. They are composed of people, but the people of a corporation are fungible and to consider them differently is, to my mind, a huge error.
      - friend_and_foe 2y ago
        So is it unethical or immoral to copy your VHS tape you bought to a BluRay disc?
    - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
      No. AHRA format transfers only apply to music audio recordings. Video and audio-books aren't covered and can't be duplicated in any way without authorization. Technically even music transfers are illegal without implementing an SCMS type system to prohibit further generational copying but that has never been enforced.
  - gedy 2y ago
    It's the other way around dude, many of these "digital purchases" were high quality, but pirating doesn't always have this quality.
    - datadrivenangel 2y ago
      Pirating is often higher quality because you're not streaming it. Always fun to realize that your streaming service has dropped you to 720p when the network is congested.
  - floor2 2y ago
    Says who, or why not? This seems like an obvious case of governmental corruption if the answer is "some law that 99.999% of people are harmed by, but makes a handful of hollywood billionaires richer". If the current laws are bad (and they are) we should get rid of them with more consumer friendly ones. If congress is too corrupt to pass those laws, we as citizens should nullify them by collectively refusing to enforce them, whether as jurors, prosecutors, or employees of media or telecom companies.
- fuzzfactor 2y ago
  >Is it piracy if it’s content you purchased in the past but access was removed? In my mind, it’s absolutely not. I agree with you more than wholeheartedly :) Allow me to re-interpret your one statement in the opposite way from what you intended anyway ;) Well for someone who's not at all part of a paid-media consuming class, when they do make a copy from someone who has paid, there is no booty lost by anyone. But if you are functioning as part of a paid-media consuming class, and you paid fair & square for the material as you see fit, and then it's taken away completely, you are "absolutely" the one who has been pirated, fully plundered and lost all the booty there was to lose. No doubt about the depth of the bullshit.
geerlingguy 2y ago
"If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing." And for a great illustration of the complexity of our current situation, see this videogamedunkey video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhv7bgmz64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhv7bgmz64
- 1970-01-01 2y ago
  That's a fiendish retort to the IP and copyright lawyers for attacking the older saying: "piracy isn't theft, it's piracy. Theft removes the original. Piracy takes a copy." Now if I can't access my copy, somehow it's not to be recognized as theft.
Someone1234 2y ago
Plus with Mythbusters in particular the best version is only available illicitly. That is the fan-edit that removes all the fluff, and just streamlines the show into just the core Myths (inc. setup and testing).
- haiku2077 2y ago
  Same with Top Gear - The Superleggera fan edit - and Avatar The Last Airbender - the fan upscale project.
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babycheetahbite 2y ago
What's going on with MythBusters that is leading to "removing the content"?
anotherevan 2y ago
Despite all the buttons you clicked that say, "Buy! Buy! Buy!" you actually only ever leased access to the show. But if the buttons said, "Lease! Lease! Lease!" everyone would go "WTF!" so they say, "Buy!" instead and no one reads the small print.

xattt 2y ago

Is it piracy if it’s content you purchased in the past but access was removed? In my mind, it’s absolutely not. This is just plain double-dipping bullshit.

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
If you bought a VHS you don't have automatic rights to a BluRay copy.
- chii 2y ago
  But you do have the right to transcribe your VHS copy to bluray yourself. Format conversion is not illegal.
  - wil421 2y ago
    For VHS yes but breaking DRM on Blu Rays is illegal and you have to do it to copy them. However, to my knowledge no one has ever been prosecuted for breaking the DRM on a blu ray. Unless they shared the copy online.
  - etrautmann 2y ago
    Isn’t this discussion about that’s ethical and moral, rather that what’s legal?
    - drivingmenuts 2y ago
      Morals and ethics have no place in a court of law. Or, another way to think about it: morals and ethics cover human-to-human transactions. Legality covers human-to-corporate interactions. Because corporations are not people. They are composed of people, but the people of a corporation are fungible and to consider them differently is, to my mind, a huge error.
    - friend_and_foe 2y ago
      So is it unethical or immoral to copy your VHS tape you bought to a BluRay disc?
  - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
    No. AHRA format transfers only apply to music audio recordings. Video and audio-books aren't covered and can't be duplicated in any way without authorization. Technically even music transfers are illegal without implementing an SCMS type system to prohibit further generational copying but that has never been enforced.
- gedy 2y ago
  It's the other way around dude, many of these "digital purchases" were high quality, but pirating doesn't always have this quality.
  - datadrivenangel 2y ago
    Pirating is often higher quality because you're not streaming it. Always fun to realize that your streaming service has dropped you to 720p when the network is congested.
- floor2 2y ago
  Says who, or why not? This seems like an obvious case of governmental corruption if the answer is "some law that 99.999% of people are harmed by, but makes a handful of hollywood billionaires richer". If the current laws are bad (and they are) we should get rid of them with more consumer friendly ones. If congress is too corrupt to pass those laws, we as citizens should nullify them by collectively refusing to enforce them, whether as jurors, prosecutors, or employees of media or telecom companies.
fuzzfactor 2y ago
>Is it piracy if it’s content you purchased in the past but access was removed? In my mind, it’s absolutely not. I agree with you more than wholeheartedly :) Allow me to re-interpret your one statement in the opposite way from what you intended anyway ;) Well for someone who's not at all part of a paid-media consuming class, when they do make a copy from someone who has paid, there is no booty lost by anyone. But if you are functioning as part of a paid-media consuming class, and you paid fair & square for the material as you see fit, and then it's taken away completely, you are "absolutely" the one who has been pirated, fully plundered and lost all the booty there was to lose. No doubt about the depth of the bullshit.

geerlingguy 2y ago

"If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing." And for a great illustration of the complexity of our current situation, see this videogamedunkey video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhv7bgmz64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvhv7bgmz64

1970-01-01 2y ago
That's a fiendish retort to the IP and copyright lawyers for attacking the older saying: "piracy isn't theft, it's piracy. Theft removes the original. Piracy takes a copy." Now if I can't access my copy, somehow it's not to be recognized as theft.

Someone1234 2y ago

Plus with Mythbusters in particular the best version is only available illicitly. That is the fan-edit that removes all the fluff, and just streamlines the show into just the core Myths (inc. setup and testing).

haiku2077 2y ago
Same with Top Gear - The Superleggera fan edit - and Avatar The Last Airbender - the fan upscale project.
- deleted 2y ago
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babycheetahbite 2y ago

What's going on with MythBusters that is leading to "removing the content"?

anotherevan 2y ago

Despite all the buttons you clicked that say, "Buy! Buy! Buy!" you actually only ever leased access to the show. But if the buttons said, "Lease! Lease! Lease!" everyone would go "WTF!" so they say, "Buy!" instead and no one reads the small print.