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Do people love the Framework laptop? Or is it a sacrifice made for philosophical reasons, compared to say an M-series MacBook.

Kuinox 3y ago
It's hard to find a decent laptop PC theses days. Dell firmware is crap. I have 2 HP in the family, both batteries died overnight, same for the spare batteries. Lenovo laptop wasn't nice either. Si this time I bought a framework, I hope it will be better.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  I compared Framework and the ThinkPad. The ThinkPad came out ahead. But Framework also doesn't deliver to where I live. Main issue with Framework is that 13'' is to small and 16'' is to big.
  - Kuinox 3y ago
    I thought 13" would be too small but it's all right, i was used to thick screen bezels. ThinkPad is made by Lenovo, when I see how bad the Lenovo laptop of my dad is, I don't think I will buy a Lenovo one day.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      Thinkpad and non-Thinkpad Lenovo's aren't built the same, don't base an opinion on Thinkpads off bad Lenovo gear.
yogorenapan 3y ago
I own a Framework 13. It’s slightly overpriced but I would take it any day over a MacBook. It runs Linux perfectly fine with no driver issues and is in general pretty high quality.
magnio 3y ago
I feel like my MacBook is a sacrifice too: trading great battery life for a godforsaken OS.
- pjerem 3y ago
  FWIW, Fedora Asahi works impressively well. In fact it can already be a nice daily driver if you dont need external displays, integrated mic or touchID (they are working on all of this but they started with the hard work). I’d recommend anyone interested to at least try it (it’s really easy like one command to run and doesn’t break anything) because it’s already a nice experience.
- aitchnyu 3y ago
  Why do you decribe Macos this way?
aritashion 3y ago
My only interests are in repairability, upgradability and ability run a Linux distro. If it meets those reqs, I'd then look at price and firmware openness. I've soldered on a GPU chip to my Thinkpad t480 and it was fairly easy. If I can do something similar with either of them I'd be interested.
ctrw 3y ago
I've had a framework for 3 years now and it just works. Higher build quality than think pads and runs Linux perfectly. This is coming from someone who had a franken 400/420t hybrid until 2019.
dguest 3y ago
I regret having a mac all the time. For me getting a new laptop is coupled with getting a new job, and I never want to spend the first month on the job debugging drivers. Self-inflicted FUD has been the only thing keeping me in the mac ecosystem. I miss the crappy laptop with Xubuntu that I had in university. If framework keeps it up I'll eventually move back.
constantcrying 3y ago
My framework 13 does exactly what I want. It is a small relatively light Laptop with great Linux support, very nice display and good selection of ports. I wouldn't buy a MacBook for software reasons, the Framework takes many design elements from it though.
bjord 3y ago
battery-wise it's a sacrifice, but only because I run linux wouldn't really be a problem if I were on windows
i3oi3 3y ago
We got one, and we love it. My daughter dropped hers and bent the case. We ordered a new case (which, admittedly, was a significant percentage of the price of a new laptop) and had it repaired within an hour of delivery.
pcdoodle 3y ago
It's a solid laptop. If I was running x86, it would be my daily. I use my framework for field work and it's great. 30 hour battery life idle on the 11th gen at min brightness (Windows)
starkparker 3y ago
I bought it primarily for the 3:2 screen after getting a Surface Laptop, which was such a lemon that it spent more time in transit for service than in use before I got rid of it. Have since swapped out every component but the screen, antenna, and chassis; the old Intel mainboard, wifi, and audio card are now in the standalone Cooler Master case driving a projector as a media center and server. My work provides a M1 MBP; it's fine, but I usually bring my Framework when I want to get actual work done on the move. The Framework works with my external display but suffers from screen flicker on the M1.[1] 1: https://www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/how-to-fix-mac-m1-m2-external-monitor-flicker.html https://www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/how-to...
marssaxman 3y ago
I can't claim to love the Framework laptop, as I have not yet gotten to try one, but I would like to love it; the feeling is more aspirational than sacrificial.

Kuinox 3y ago

It's hard to find a decent laptop PC theses days. Dell firmware is crap. I have 2 HP in the family, both batteries died overnight, same for the spare batteries. Lenovo laptop wasn't nice either. Si this time I bought a framework, I hope it will be better.

panick21_ 3y ago
I compared Framework and the ThinkPad. The ThinkPad came out ahead. But Framework also doesn't deliver to where I live. Main issue with Framework is that 13'' is to small and 16'' is to big.
- Kuinox 3y ago
  I thought 13" would be too small but it's all right, i was used to thick screen bezels. ThinkPad is made by Lenovo, when I see how bad the Lenovo laptop of my dad is, I don't think I will buy a Lenovo one day.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Thinkpad and non-Thinkpad Lenovo's aren't built the same, don't base an opinion on Thinkpads off bad Lenovo gear.

yogorenapan 3y ago

I own a Framework 13. It’s slightly overpriced but I would take it any day over a MacBook. It runs Linux perfectly fine with no driver issues and is in general pretty high quality.

magnio 3y ago

I feel like my MacBook is a sacrifice too: trading great battery life for a godforsaken OS.

pjerem 3y ago
FWIW, Fedora Asahi works impressively well. In fact it can already be a nice daily driver if you dont need external displays, integrated mic or touchID (they are working on all of this but they started with the hard work). I’d recommend anyone interested to at least try it (it’s really easy like one command to run and doesn’t break anything) because it’s already a nice experience.
aitchnyu 3y ago
Why do you decribe Macos this way?

aritashion 3y ago

My only interests are in repairability, upgradability and ability run a Linux distro. If it meets those reqs, I'd then look at price and firmware openness. I've soldered on a GPU chip to my Thinkpad t480 and it was fairly easy. If I can do something similar with either of them I'd be interested.

ctrw 3y ago

I've had a framework for 3 years now and it just works. Higher build quality than think pads and runs Linux perfectly. This is coming from someone who had a franken 400/420t hybrid until 2019.

dguest 3y ago

I regret having a mac all the time. For me getting a new laptop is coupled with getting a new job, and I never want to spend the first month on the job debugging drivers. Self-inflicted FUD has been the only thing keeping me in the mac ecosystem. I miss the crappy laptop with Xubuntu that I had in university. If framework keeps it up I'll eventually move back.

constantcrying 3y ago

My framework 13 does exactly what I want. It is a small relatively light Laptop with great Linux support, very nice display and good selection of ports. I wouldn't buy a MacBook for software reasons, the Framework takes many design elements from it though.

bjord 3y ago

battery-wise it's a sacrifice, but only because I run linux wouldn't really be a problem if I were on windows

i3oi3 3y ago

We got one, and we love it. My daughter dropped hers and bent the case. We ordered a new case (which, admittedly, was a significant percentage of the price of a new laptop) and had it repaired within an hour of delivery.

pcdoodle 3y ago

It's a solid laptop. If I was running x86, it would be my daily. I use my framework for field work and it's great. 30 hour battery life idle on the 11th gen at min brightness (Windows)

starkparker 3y ago

I bought it primarily for the 3:2 screen after getting a Surface Laptop, which was such a lemon that it spent more time in transit for service than in use before I got rid of it. Have since swapped out every component but the screen, antenna, and chassis; the old Intel mainboard, wifi, and audio card are now in the standalone Cooler Master case driving a projector as a media center and server. My work provides a M1 MBP; it's fine, but I usually bring my Framework when I want to get actual work done on the move. The Framework works with my external display but suffers from screen flicker on the M1.[1] 1: https://www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/how-to-fix-mac-m1-m2-external-monitor-flicker.html https://www.benq.com/en-us/knowledge-center/knowledge/how-to...

marssaxman 3y ago

I can't claim to love the Framework laptop, as I have not yet gotten to try one, but I would like to love it; the feeling is more aspirational than sacrificial.