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I would love to hear exact reasonings behind this hatred of Musk. Not typical talking points, but actual detailed examples.

ortusdux 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk
theogravity 2y ago
For me, things started going downhill when he called a diver a "pedo guy" during the cave rescue story. I get it was determined by the court to not fall under defamation, but it just left a sour taste. He loves to overpromise and underdeliver. As someone who bought FSD on his 2018 M3, it's still not in a state where I feel it can be safely used outside of a highway. I guess it's an issue of credibility here. Q-Anon promotions: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ Great replacement theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... I don't agree with his thoughts on Ukraine / Crimea: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 I'm sure I can conjure more examples where we disagree ideologically or from my POV he's just an asshole, but it's a waste of my time to find even more specific examples and get into a potential flame war over why to hate or not hate him. The time required to find examples that don't seem like it's from a highly "biased" source is far greater than the person asking simply the question and will most likely not respond in kind. This will be my only response to the topic and I will not respond any further. Hope that helps.
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- EcommerceFlow 2y ago
  QAnon is so obviously a pun/joke on Q rumors, I'm not sure what the outrage is about. His GRT outlook is quite logical. More illegal immigrants = more votes for particular politicians, more expensive housing, and lower wages. He's been very clear he prefers extremely tight borders for illegal immigrants and hugely open ones for highly qualified legal immigrants. I think the majority of American's would agree with that. I also disagree with his Ukraine/Crimea thoughts, but it's quite logical from his viewpoint. He sees an increased risk of Nuclear War over Eastern Ukraine as not worth it, and has mentioned that a few times. I'm sure he understands his mortality and time left, and is just thinking on a civilizational level. I will point out the irony in you stating this, when Starlink has been instrumental in the Ukrainian defense. Again, I haven't seen anything particularly damning.
  - ksynwa 2y ago
    Illegal immigrants driving up housing prices and Great Replacement Theory are not the same things.
    - pfannkuchen 2y ago
      I don't really get the controversy around the so-called Great Replacement Theory. Europeans have factually ceased to be a majority in the US in the younger generations, and given that humans do die of old age this will surely follow through to the population overall. The demographic trends are driven by factors that factually could be influenced by government policy if there was a will to do so. If someone is unhappy about this, it's certainly reasonable to disagree with them or to call them a racist or whatever. But the way people talk about this "theory", it's like they think it isn't really happening and that people who do think it's happening are delusional. Can someone explain this to me?
      - threecheese 2y ago
        At least in the US, it is believed by a % of an entire faction that the absence of that government policy you mentioned is intentional, malicious, and designed to create new voters that are in the other faction’s pocket. And so the Great Replacement is a plan, rather than an observation, and this is where I see the controversy. The news here (“news”) is even pushing this narrative (I know this bc I was accosted with it today, in person), though I am not sure they use the terminology.
  - mikeyouse 2y ago
    Illegal immigrants can't vote, have never been able to vote, and there's absolutely no evidence that they've ever voted more than a random one-off that's almost always caught and prosecuted. Lying on your voter registration form is a felony and it's the height of internet addled smooth-brain delusion to insist that vast swaths of illegal immigrants are going to commit felonies that include providing their name and address to vote in an indirect democracy because one of the political parties is marginally less hostile to them.
cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
In other words, you disagree with the reasons people don’t like him. It’s one thing to disagree with someone, but to trivialise their reasoning as “talking points” is…actually probably what I’d expect. Never mind. There’s no shortage of “detailed examples” carefully and dutifully enumerated online. Again, if you haven’t seen them yet, you simply don’t see them as problematic.

ortusdux 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk

theogravity 2y ago

For me, things started going downhill when he called a diver a "pedo guy" during the cave rescue story. I get it was determined by the court to not fall under defamation, but it just left a sour taste. He loves to overpromise and underdeliver. As someone who bought FSD on his 2018 M3, it's still not in a state where I feel it can be safely used outside of a highway. I guess it's an issue of credibility here. Q-Anon promotions: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-qanon-2024-election/ Great replacement theory: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... I don't agree with his thoughts on Ukraine / Crimea: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1576969255031296000 I'm sure I can conjure more examples where we disagree ideologically or from my POV he's just an asshole, but it's a waste of my time to find even more specific examples and get into a potential flame war over why to hate or not hate him. The time required to find examples that don't seem like it's from a highly "biased" source is far greater than the person asking simply the question and will most likely not respond in kind. This will be my only response to the topic and I will not respond any further. Hope that helps.

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EcommerceFlow 2y ago
QAnon is so obviously a pun/joke on Q rumors, I'm not sure what the outrage is about. His GRT outlook is quite logical. More illegal immigrants = more votes for particular politicians, more expensive housing, and lower wages. He's been very clear he prefers extremely tight borders for illegal immigrants and hugely open ones for highly qualified legal immigrants. I think the majority of American's would agree with that. I also disagree with his Ukraine/Crimea thoughts, but it's quite logical from his viewpoint. He sees an increased risk of Nuclear War over Eastern Ukraine as not worth it, and has mentioned that a few times. I'm sure he understands his mortality and time left, and is just thinking on a civilizational level. I will point out the irony in you stating this, when Starlink has been instrumental in the Ukrainian defense. Again, I haven't seen anything particularly damning.
- ksynwa 2y ago
  Illegal immigrants driving up housing prices and Great Replacement Theory are not the same things.
  - pfannkuchen 2y ago
    I don't really get the controversy around the so-called Great Replacement Theory. Europeans have factually ceased to be a majority in the US in the younger generations, and given that humans do die of old age this will surely follow through to the population overall. The demographic trends are driven by factors that factually could be influenced by government policy if there was a will to do so. If someone is unhappy about this, it's certainly reasonable to disagree with them or to call them a racist or whatever. But the way people talk about this "theory", it's like they think it isn't really happening and that people who do think it's happening are delusional. Can someone explain this to me?
    - threecheese 2y ago
      At least in the US, it is believed by a % of an entire faction that the absence of that government policy you mentioned is intentional, malicious, and designed to create new voters that are in the other faction’s pocket. And so the Great Replacement is a plan, rather than an observation, and this is where I see the controversy. The news here (“news”) is even pushing this narrative (I know this bc I was accosted with it today, in person), though I am not sure they use the terminology.
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  Illegal immigrants can't vote, have never been able to vote, and there's absolutely no evidence that they've ever voted more than a random one-off that's almost always caught and prosecuted. Lying on your voter registration form is a felony and it's the height of internet addled smooth-brain delusion to insist that vast swaths of illegal immigrants are going to commit felonies that include providing their name and address to vote in an indirect democracy because one of the political parties is marginally less hostile to them.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago

In other words, you disagree with the reasons people don’t like him. It’s one thing to disagree with someone, but to trivialise their reasoning as “talking points” is…actually probably what I’d expect. Never mind. There’s no shortage of “detailed examples” carefully and dutifully enumerated online. Again, if you haven’t seen them yet, you simply don’t see them as problematic.