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Tesla has lowest maintenance and repair cost of any brand
- chriselles 2y agoWouldn’t total cost of ownership be a better measure? Maintenance, repair, insurance, fuel, residual value. I would think Tesla’s lower residual value from price declines would result in a poorer(possibly much poorer) showing using a total cost of ownership framework. And I would think Toyota, especially Toyota plug-in hybrids, would get a strong boost in total cost of ownership rankings. Wouldn’t an important inflection point for EVs be winning a total costs of ownership comparison with Toyota plug in hybrids?
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- latentcall 2y agoTrue, I wish I could know what that culture of repair is though.
- eimrine 2y agoDo not create (inside of Russia) anything that an average Russian can not fix. That means if a Russian injection car has a computer block (such as a well-known "January" one), so the spare part has to be fitting to any other car at least slightly similar. Western cars have way too many different subversion of anything (especially anything Turing-complete) even when the parts are indistinguishable by a bare eye.
- darthrupert 2y agoМожно отъехать сто километров и начать чинить
- JoeAltmaier 2y agoI wonder when the battery pack needs replacing. Is that counted? Got to cost a bundle.
- manishsharan 2y agoThis is the big one. A timing belt change , new spark plugs etc on a ICE car would cost about CAD 3000 ~4000 for Honda. And then your engine is good for another 100000 km or so.
- pbmonster 2y ago5 figures, depending on model. The largest packs are around $40k. But Tesla claims 300k - 500k miles before the battery comes due for a replacement. Most of the very oldest Teslas haven't reached that mileage yet. The average drive certainly doesn't reach it in their first 10 years of owning their car.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoI can get a refurb 100kw pack for my Model S for ~$14k from Tesla. 2018, has ~125k miles on it, less than 10% degradation heavily Supercharged.
- _aavaa_ 2y agoI don't know how it varies in different parts of the world, but where I live 300k miles is a rustbucket that's one pothole away from the scrapyard.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoOn _average_ they last enough. Problem is that sudden failure can happen at anytime, even at 161k miles or so. Sounds like something insurance companies (or government) should offer. Would cost extra $1 per customer, but would keep tons of drivers happy.
- eagerpace 2y agoAt this points it's seeming like they function well enough to last the life of the chassis. You're not going to spend $10k to put a new engine in a 10 year old car either, it's simply not worth it. You deal with some bumps and bruises and squeaks and reduced efficiency.
- garyfirestorm 2y agotell that to Hertz! `Even without the drop in value of the cars it bought, Hertz struggled with collision and damage repairs on an EV running about twice that associated with a comparable combustion engine vehicle, Scherr told investors on a 2023 call.`[0] [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/18/business/hertz-ceo-departure-ev/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/18/business/hertz-ceo-departure-...
- A_D_E_P_T 2y agoIn fairness, rental cars are driven harder and treated much more roughly than private vehicles tend to be. (Which is why I've never been a fan of Turo's concept.) Also, collision repairs likely represent only a fraction of total maintenance costs.
- garyfirestorm 2y agoif the article is claiming 'lowest REPAIR costs', why would you ignore the collision repair? Collisions are not unique to rental fleet, they happen to normal customers too!
- dzhiurgis 2y agoMechanical repair (i.e. broken camera here and there, stuck seatbelt, etc) is going to be always cheaper than collision repairs. Also makes sense to exclude collision repairs - as an individual owner I am not going to run to a shop to repair scratch or gash - I am perfectly happy with mechanically worthy car that has imperfect looks (thats why I maxed out excess on my insurance).
- maxerickson 2y agoThe comparison the other poster made is rental to rental. Like it may be the case that rentals see more collision repairs, but it's still informative for everyday use, things like insurance are going to take into account cost differences like that.
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- addicted 2y agoWhat’s the point of doing this at a brand level. What would seem more relevant is the type of car, so SUVs vs Sedans etc even if you want to group it further by brand after that. I can’t imagine a truck would have the same maintenance as a compact.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoData at the type level is problematic too. For instance, CR also has data showing that Hybrids are the most reliable but PHEV's are the worst. Which doesn't make any sense because they are very similar vehicles, and PHEV's should theoretically be better than non-pluggable hybrids. But most Hybrids are Toyotas, and most PHEV's aren't.
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- kayodelycaon 2y agoTitle is misleading, if not an outright lie. The quote they have from Consumer Reports is solely on maintenance cost. Which gets a "no shit" from me. EVs don't need engine maintenance. Brakes last forever due to regenerative breaking.
- eimrine 2y ago> Brakes last forever due to regenerative breaking. Regeneranive braking is 1/100 of a normal brake ability. It can be upto 10/100 if using resistors instead of the battery as the load.
- qwerpy 2y agoWhatever the exact number is, I sometimes go weeks without touching the actual brake pedal. If you’re not driving like a maniac, the gradual regen braking is enough almost all of the time.
- eimrine 2y agoGood point, probably you are living not in the city from this list :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_claimed_to_be_built_on_seven_hills https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_claimed_to_be_b...
- qwerpy 2y agoHah - actually my city (Seattle) is on that list. The regen isn’t enough to slow the car to a stop at the bottom of a hill when there’s an abrupt stop sign, but it’s usually enough to keep speed manageable.
- tzs 2y agoIts the quote that is misleading. They picked the one paragraph in the CR article this just mentions maintenance. Everyplace else says "maintenance and repairs". In particular the chart of costs by brand they copied from the CR article is titled "Maintenance and Repair Cost by Brand" there.
- xnx 2y agoGood to see more articles pointing out maintenance costs as part of the total costs of ownership, but that's still only part of the story. Purchase, fuel, maintenance (tires, brakes, oil change, etc.), insurance, time, and depreciation costs should all be considered.
- hilux 2y agoDoes that include the cost of tires - which is said to be MUCH higher on Teslas?
- bryanlarsen 2y agoOnly if you drive like an idiot. We're at 70,000 km on original tires on our Tesla.
- toss1 2y agoGood question. In fact this is an issue on ALL electric cars, as they tend to be much heavier, which is directly correlated with tyre wear. That said, wear can be substantially mitigated by how the tyres are designed and manufactured, particularly the tread compounds. But, long-wearing compounds are generally inversely correlated with grip, so there is a balance to be found there. There is also the fact that manufactured seem to absolutely not GAF about weight anymore, even on internal-combustion cars, so the ICE-vs-EV weight difference may be narrowing. But yes, tires for heavier cars are more expensive by themselves, and ceteris paribus, wear faster, so can definitely be a significant expense factor over the 5-10 year terms in this article and discussion.
- widdakay 2y agoLook at the weight of some cars for comparison. Modern EVs aren't too far off as you say when compared with comparable performance cars: Tesla model 3: 3920lbs (SR) 4056lbs (LR) Kia ev6: 4017-4255lbs Average new US vehicle: 4100lbs BMW M3: 3,840-3,990 lbs BMW M5: ~5300lbs Audi A5: 3,682-3,990 lbs Toyota Camry: ~3500lbs Toyota Prius: 3,097-3,340lbs Dodge charger: 5100-5900lbs
- toss1 2y agoYes, those BMWs are insane weights for an "M" ("Motorsport") series. Especially considering that it's common knowledge in motorsports (although evidently less common than it should be) that more power only increases acceleration performance, but lighter weight increases performance of acceleration, braking, cornering, and tyre wear! Plus, reducing weight is compounding; take out one chunk of mass, and other components can also be made lighter, e.g., reduce the body mass, and you can fit lighter suspension components, brakes, wheels, tires, etc., and the light-weighting compounds.
- biscuit1v9 2y ago"Telsa"..
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- daghamm 2y agoMaintenance cost, calculated by completely ignoring repair costs where Tesla hass pretty bad track record?? https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2018/10/consumer_reports_annual_reliability_survey_tesla_and_other_domestic_brands_take_big_steps_backwards_in_rankings11/ https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/20... Who wrote this? Elon Musk?
- staticman2 2y agoI just watched Youtube video saying electric cars have much higher depreciation than non electric cars. It would be a big mistake to think they are cheaper than non-electric cars.
- thebruce87m 2y agoSo buy one of the highly depreciated second hand ones and get a double win.
- more_corn 2y agoExcept if you factor in the months of rents car time while you wait for repair parts because Tesla prioritizes parts for new builds and refuses to allow 3rd party parts. Or the cyber truck which apparently will get bricked if you wash it or sometimes right when you pick it up from the dealer
- mmh0000 2y agoAs someone who just spent $400 to have one of the (third) pop-out door handle replaced, I'm not convinced. My Tesla is 10 years old (as of this coming July). I bought the extended warranty when they still offered it, which covered me for 8 years (amazing). I'm really glad I did too, under warranty, I've had 2 door handles replaced, a new motor, a replaced computer.