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>People trust Google Translate to not go off-topic or "hallucinate" Then "people" have no idea what they're doing. Google Translate and Deepl "hallucinate" way

>People trust Google Translate to not go off-topic or "hallucinate" Then "people" have no idea what they're doing. Google Translate and Deepl "hallucinate" way more than the likes of GPT-4 and Claude 3 for Translation.

endisneigh 3y ago
I’m fascinated by this since I use translate regularly. Do you have an example of google translate doing this?
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  https://i.imgur.com/e1aeLej.png https://i.imgur.com/e1aeLej.png
  - endisneigh 3y ago
    Where is the hallucination? It seems in line with the others.
    - famouswaffles 3y ago
      You think this: "Swarming like a swarm of bees. He was carried among the people, hanging from the handle. No matter how good you think about the situation you're in, it's disgusting. Where are you now?" is a comparable translation to this: "No matter how you couch it, riding the subway feels disgusting: you dangle like ripe fruit from a hanging vine, squeezed in among humans swarming like bees." Or this ?: "Being crammed among a swarm of humans, dangling from a strap as I'm carried along, is frankly disgusting, no matter how you look at it"
      - datadrivenangel 3y ago
        I do think those are comparable. Could be better, but it communicates the key concepts and emotional tone?
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        The last sentence is a complete fabrication and the entire translation is vague and confusing. You can see the meaning from the context of the actually good translations. On its own, it would not fly anywhere. Whats more, this kind of vagueness just builds up more and more until you've lost track of the plot.
      - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
        Using metaphorical or allegorical language as a test isn't that useful. Getting something appropriate is going to be much more up to chance.
        staticman2 3y ago
        >>>Using metaphorical or allegorical language as a test isn't that useful. Because nobody wants to translate literature with metaphorical language?
        dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
        Not the point. Even human readers are going to be unsure about what is meant, that means automatic translators are always going to do even worse and mere chance becomes prevalent. If you look at how humans translate literature, the translator becomes a part of the work (in the new language) because translating it is an art, not a science. There is no 'correct' translation, only ones that deliver a human experience or interpretation of the original. So as I said, it's less useful as a test.
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        >Getting something appropriate is going to be much more up to chance. Getting something appropriate with GPT-4 is whole lot higher than chance which was kind of the point of all this. >Using metaphorical or allegorical language as a test isn't that useful. This is a big chunk of fiction which is most of the text that regularly gets translated. If you're not interested in translating fiction then great but "not a good test" is just silly.
xray2 3y ago
Maybe some ppl do know what they are doing? You sound unhinged
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  If anyone is saying they won't use GPT-4 for translations over Google or Deepl because of hallucinations then it's a clear sign they haven't actually used all and compared. "I'll use Google because GPT hallucinates" is a hilarious thing to say when Google still regularly devolves to half gibberish on distant language pairs.

endisneigh 3y ago

I’m fascinated by this since I use translate regularly. Do you have an example of google translate doing this?

famouswaffles 3y ago
https://i.imgur.com/e1aeLej.png https://i.imgur.com/e1aeLej.png
- endisneigh 3y ago
  Where is the hallucination? It seems in line with the others.
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    You think this: "Swarming like a swarm of bees. He was carried among the people, hanging from the handle. No matter how good you think about the situation you're in, it's disgusting. Where are you now?" is a comparable translation to this: "No matter how you couch it, riding the subway feels disgusting: you dangle like ripe fruit from a hanging vine, squeezed in among humans swarming like bees." Or this ?: "Being crammed among a swarm of humans, dangling from a strap as I'm carried along, is frankly disgusting, no matter how you look at it"
    - datadrivenangel 3y ago
      I do think those are comparable. Could be better, but it communicates the key concepts and emotional tone?
      - famouswaffles 3y ago
        The last sentence is a complete fabrication and the entire translation is vague and confusing. You can see the meaning from the context of the actually good translations. On its own, it would not fly anywhere. Whats more, this kind of vagueness just builds up more and more until you've lost track of the plot.
    - dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
      Using metaphorical or allegorical language as a test isn't that useful. Getting something appropriate is going to be much more up to chance.
      - staticman2 3y ago
        >>>Using metaphorical or allegorical language as a test isn't that useful. Because nobody wants to translate literature with metaphorical language?
        dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
        Not the point. Even human readers are going to be unsure about what is meant, that means automatic translators are always going to do even worse and mere chance becomes prevalent. If you look at how humans translate literature, the translator becomes a part of the work (in the new language) because translating it is an art, not a science. There is no 'correct' translation, only ones that deliver a human experience or interpretation of the original. So as I said, it's less useful as a test.
      - famouswaffles 3y ago
        >Getting something appropriate is going to be much more up to chance. Getting something appropriate with GPT-4 is whole lot higher than chance which was kind of the point of all this. >Using metaphorical or allegorical language as a test isn't that useful. This is a big chunk of fiction which is most of the text that regularly gets translated. If you're not interested in translating fiction then great but "not a good test" is just silly.

xray2 3y ago

Maybe some ppl do know what they are doing? You sound unhinged

famouswaffles 3y ago
If anyone is saying they won't use GPT-4 for translations over Google or Deepl because of hallucinations then it's a clear sign they haven't actually used all and compared. "I'll use Google because GPT hallucinates" is a hilarious thing to say when Google still regularly devolves to half gibberish on distant language pairs.