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I wouldn’t lump macOS and Windows together for that, as someone who uses Linux and macOS regularly. macOS has defaults that can be for power users, but you can

I wouldn’t lump macOS and Windows together for that, as someone who uses Linux and macOS regularly. macOS has defaults that can be for power users, but you can find them and change them. Windows is actively trying to subvert your will at every turn. Ads in the start menu/explorer, forced updates, forced logins in the OOBE… It’s abhorrent! And so many workarounds you find online are dead, because they’re actively subverting your will.

talldayo 2y ago
If I didn't need to open the terminal to disable basic nags on MacOS, I would be more inclined to agree. Modern MacOS post-Yosemite approaches Windows 8 levels of pointless service-oriented integrations. On Windows and MacOS, you are the frog no matter what you do. The water is at different temperatures, but they are both heating up pretty fast.
- moritzwarhier 2y ago
  Testament to this is the annoyance of missing or delayed update notifications for the OS and App Store apps when using macOS without an iCloud account. Still, at the current temperature, macbooks make for good workstations IMO. I sometimes miss Linux but just haven't found comparable hardware, efficiency and utility. Also a relief to have USB-C displays and other hardware just work, no battery drain when idle, etc. I'm sure it's a close call though compared to a good x64 laptop with Linux though, especially with x64 slowly approaching ARM in terms of power efficiency. The latest debacle around macOS and JVM was not a good look though. I feel their moat is shrinking.
  - renewedrebecca 2y ago
    The JVM problem was fixed in what, 11 days? That's pretty damn good.
    - moritzwarhier 2y ago
      This is true! So maybe I was wrong about it being a bad look.
- nickthegreek 2y ago
  What nags are you talking about? I’ve never had to open a terminal to deal with things like that on macOS.
  - tacker2000 2y ago
    You have to run some terminal command, to make a system setting visible, just to be able to install non-app store apps. > sudo spctl --master-disable
    - steelbrain 2y ago
      This is not true. You do not have to do this to install non-app store apps. Right click and open, if you don't get an option to open the first time, right click and open the second time and the option shows up. Please do not disable Gatekeeper because you want to open apps from a keyboard shortcut instead of right click and open.
      - tacker2000 2y ago
        If something is standing in the way of my OS being usable and using it as intended, then I will disable it, simple as that. I dont need any hand holding or babysitting thank you very much. Same with the useless UAC warning dialogs on Windows.
        karlshea 2y ago
        This is like complaining about having to type `sudo`.
        tacker2000 2y ago
        How so? I dont need to use sudo everytime im using some normal harmless userland program like git for example. Gatekeeper was only implemented to scare mainstream Apple users into using their pile of shit App Store. And developers needing to spend cash and “notarize” their apps. You can see the same discussion happening now with the iOS 3rd party stores. As if every 3rd party app was a potentially filled tonthe brim with “viruses”

talldayo 2y ago

If I didn't need to open the terminal to disable basic nags on MacOS, I would be more inclined to agree. Modern MacOS post-Yosemite approaches Windows 8 levels of pointless service-oriented integrations. On Windows and MacOS, you are the frog no matter what you do. The water is at different temperatures, but they are both heating up pretty fast.

moritzwarhier 2y ago
Testament to this is the annoyance of missing or delayed update notifications for the OS and App Store apps when using macOS without an iCloud account. Still, at the current temperature, macbooks make for good workstations IMO. I sometimes miss Linux but just haven't found comparable hardware, efficiency and utility. Also a relief to have USB-C displays and other hardware just work, no battery drain when idle, etc. I'm sure it's a close call though compared to a good x64 laptop with Linux though, especially with x64 slowly approaching ARM in terms of power efficiency. The latest debacle around macOS and JVM was not a good look though. I feel their moat is shrinking.
- renewedrebecca 2y ago
  The JVM problem was fixed in what, 11 days? That's pretty damn good.
  - moritzwarhier 2y ago
    This is true! So maybe I was wrong about it being a bad look.
nickthegreek 2y ago
What nags are you talking about? I’ve never had to open a terminal to deal with things like that on macOS.
- tacker2000 2y ago
  You have to run some terminal command, to make a system setting visible, just to be able to install non-app store apps. > sudo spctl --master-disable
  - steelbrain 2y ago
    This is not true. You do not have to do this to install non-app store apps. Right click and open, if you don't get an option to open the first time, right click and open the second time and the option shows up. Please do not disable Gatekeeper because you want to open apps from a keyboard shortcut instead of right click and open.
    - tacker2000 2y ago
      If something is standing in the way of my OS being usable and using it as intended, then I will disable it, simple as that. I dont need any hand holding or babysitting thank you very much. Same with the useless UAC warning dialogs on Windows.
      - karlshea 2y ago
        This is like complaining about having to type `sudo`.
        tacker2000 2y ago
        How so? I dont need to use sudo everytime im using some normal harmless userland program like git for example. Gatekeeper was only implemented to scare mainstream Apple users into using their pile of shit App Store. And developers needing to spend cash and “notarize” their apps. You can see the same discussion happening now with the iOS 3rd party stores. As if every 3rd party app was a potentially filled tonthe brim with “viruses”