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LOL. Your average JS engineer needs to have all the browsers stripped from their machine. They need to be given the following VM's: 1. tool bar riddled version

LOL. Your average JS engineer needs to have all the browsers stripped from their machine. They need to be given the following VM's: 1. tool bar riddled version of windows that only has 8 gigs of ram and at lest one unreliable key. 2. A chrome book, but with all the filters of the nearst school system. 3. Chrome, on linux, 512mb of ram. And they get what ever the low end Samsung J series its a phone that makes calls as their cell (cause no cheating). I give that about 3 months till the web is fast again.

KeplerBoy 3y ago
Who knew devs/corporations don't optimize the web for people with no spending power?
- azeirah 3y ago
  I talk about this so much at my workplace and every time I mention slower phones I get laughed at by my boss. It's idiotic. "Just get an iPhone" Like... my dude, you rolled out of uni and started your own business and started out making at least double every month than normal people and you buy a new phone every 2 years. This is not normal. Our target customer is very literally the "average consumer", so this is the dumbest take I've ever seen. I try to minimize garbage collection and optimize React rendering but React is honestly quite difficult to get right when it comes to details in performance, even after a few years of experience :(. It doesn't help that I explicitly don't get time to focus on these kinds of details.
  - KeplerBoy 3y ago
    Meh, are slow phones really an issue? I'm using a motorola android i bought three years ago for around $200 and it's absolutely fine for browsing the web and messaging. I could justify buying an iPhone (after all it comes down to a dollar a day over two/three years), but I don't feel like I have to.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Slow phones on slow connections. Try to access the Internet on modern Germany while crossing through the country on train.
      - KeplerBoy 3y ago
        Fair enough. As an Austrian I'm deeply familiar with the experience in German trains but that doesn't get any better with an iphone either. I can assure that Apple's RF engineers working around here are suffering the same issues.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        It gets better when Website designers take that into consideration.
      - rglullis 3y ago
        Why? What could possibly be so important to be done that can not wait until I am in a place with a faster connection?
        pjmlp 3y ago
        Why is really the question of universe. Not everyone is you, and some people like to keep themselves busy reading stuff online.
        rglullis 3y ago
        And there are countless ways to keep oneself busy, the majority of which do not require Javascript-heavy websites.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        As mentioned, not everyone is you.
- pavlov 3y ago
  A lot of corporations make their revenue selling in great volumes to people with little spending power. Walmart can’t afford to design their website to Louis Vuitton’s audience.
dep_b 3y ago
They should also give all designers the tiniest still supported mobile phone screen, while enlarging the fonts by at least 20% and making the screen black and white. I wouldn't go as far as making the language German but.....well actually.....yes put the phone in German as well!
- lifestyleguru 3y ago
  Das ist keine Dzamdzung das ist Scheissung!
lifestyleguru 3y ago
Then comes one after another manager, PO, PM, designer. They want: privacy consent dialog, social media integration, newsletter and subscription prompt dialog, put all photos into a clickable gallery, floating auto playing video, and AI chat somewhere right there in the corner.
- mm007emko 3y ago
  Which is very sad, if you think about it. None of that benefits me as a user, it's for their benefit.
  - lifestyleguru 3y ago
    You're not helpful at all, and not a team player.
  - nonrandomstring 3y ago
    Mature and professional developers would care what you thought, as a user.
  - blindgeek 3y ago
    Someone brought up the topic of JS and screenreaders upthread. Screenreaders can work fine with JS. The pain points are: 1. Use of JS to reimplement standard HTML widgets. This has broken my screenreader more times than I care to remember. 2. All of this user-irrelevant garbage, like the dialogs, the social media buttons, and so forth. I remember a few years back trying to pay my electric bill. Yes, I was using a JS-capable browser. I couldn't actually pay my bill, but there were plenty of "follow us on Facebook" and similar. Like seriously, folks, I just wanna send you money. Really, this should even be something I could do without JS. Another example: we do online shopping at https://www.fredmeyer.com https://www.fredmeyer.com. Their website is absolutely terrible, with all of the busyness, some of it user hostile. Seriously folks, I just want to give you money for product, not follow you on facebook. Some sites get it really, really right. I play chess on lichess.org. That site requires JavaScript. And I don't see any way that it could possibly be avoided. But it works beautifully with my screenreader. It's snappy too, even under Firefox on a Raspberry Pi. I used to be a hard core "screw JS" guy. I've softened my stance, because I know it can be used correctly and to great effect.

KeplerBoy 3y ago

Who knew devs/corporations don't optimize the web for people with no spending power?

azeirah 3y ago
I talk about this so much at my workplace and every time I mention slower phones I get laughed at by my boss. It's idiotic. "Just get an iPhone" Like... my dude, you rolled out of uni and started your own business and started out making at least double every month than normal people and you buy a new phone every 2 years. This is not normal. Our target customer is very literally the "average consumer", so this is the dumbest take I've ever seen. I try to minimize garbage collection and optimize React rendering but React is honestly quite difficult to get right when it comes to details in performance, even after a few years of experience :(. It doesn't help that I explicitly don't get time to focus on these kinds of details.
- KeplerBoy 3y ago
  Meh, are slow phones really an issue? I'm using a motorola android i bought three years ago for around $200 and it's absolutely fine for browsing the web and messaging. I could justify buying an iPhone (after all it comes down to a dollar a day over two/three years), but I don't feel like I have to.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Slow phones on slow connections. Try to access the Internet on modern Germany while crossing through the country on train.
    - KeplerBoy 3y ago
      Fair enough. As an Austrian I'm deeply familiar with the experience in German trains but that doesn't get any better with an iphone either. I can assure that Apple's RF engineers working around here are suffering the same issues.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        It gets better when Website designers take that into consideration.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      Why? What could possibly be so important to be done that can not wait until I am in a place with a faster connection?
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Why is really the question of universe. Not everyone is you, and some people like to keep themselves busy reading stuff online.
        rglullis 3y ago
        And there are countless ways to keep oneself busy, the majority of which do not require Javascript-heavy websites.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        As mentioned, not everyone is you.
pavlov 3y ago
A lot of corporations make their revenue selling in great volumes to people with little spending power. Walmart can’t afford to design their website to Louis Vuitton’s audience.

dep_b 3y ago

They should also give all designers the tiniest still supported mobile phone screen, while enlarging the fonts by at least 20% and making the screen black and white. I wouldn't go as far as making the language German but.....well actually.....yes put the phone in German as well!

lifestyleguru 3y ago
Das ist keine Dzamdzung das ist Scheissung!

lifestyleguru 3y ago

Then comes one after another manager, PO, PM, designer. They want: privacy consent dialog, social media integration, newsletter and subscription prompt dialog, put all photos into a clickable gallery, floating auto playing video, and AI chat somewhere right there in the corner.

mm007emko 3y ago
Which is very sad, if you think about it. None of that benefits me as a user, it's for their benefit.
- lifestyleguru 3y ago
  You're not helpful at all, and not a team player.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  Mature and professional developers would care what you thought, as a user.
- blindgeek 3y ago
  Someone brought up the topic of JS and screenreaders upthread. Screenreaders can work fine with JS. The pain points are: 1. Use of JS to reimplement standard HTML widgets. This has broken my screenreader more times than I care to remember. 2. All of this user-irrelevant garbage, like the dialogs, the social media buttons, and so forth. I remember a few years back trying to pay my electric bill. Yes, I was using a JS-capable browser. I couldn't actually pay my bill, but there were plenty of "follow us on Facebook" and similar. Like seriously, folks, I just wanna send you money. Really, this should even be something I could do without JS. Another example: we do online shopping at https://www.fredmeyer.com https://www.fredmeyer.com. Their website is absolutely terrible, with all of the busyness, some of it user hostile. Seriously folks, I just want to give you money for product, not follow you on facebook. Some sites get it really, really right. I play chess on lichess.org. That site requires JavaScript. And I don't see any way that it could possibly be avoided. But it works beautifully with my screenreader. It's snappy too, even under Firefox on a Raspberry Pi. I used to be a hard core "screw JS" guy. I've softened my stance, because I know it can be used correctly and to great effect.