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By the time someone has entered the workforce it should not be necessary to be ‘checked on’ by some surrogate parental figure. In a functioning workplace, ever

By the time someone has entered the workforce it should not be necessary to be ‘checked on’ by some surrogate parental figure. In a functioning workplace, everyone agrees to do their work because it is part of the social contract of working on a team. They don’t need to be told what to do. If someone is falling behind, they’ll talk to other team members and work together to get back on track. You are there to help your coworkers, and they are there to help you. Someone doesn’t have to be your manager to make sure projects run smoothly; everyone can take turns in this role if they feel like it’s something they’re interested in doing and are competent in that role. It’s only through the distorted lens of corporate ladder climbing and backstabbing departmental politics that the idea arises that you’ll just hire untrustworthy people and then beat them into submission by making a workplace into a prison.

p1esk 2y ago
And what about all the bs artists, slackers, divas, or assholes on the team? What if no one on the team wants to play “manager”, especially without the title? What if no one on the team has the skills to be an effective manager? What if my colleague Bob decides to play the role of a manager but I don’t like him? What if two people want to manage and disagree on things? Who exactly is supposed to have the authority to tell people what to do, and then hold them accountable? What you described smells like communism - might work on small scale in some isolated cases, but usually doesn’t.
mingusrude 2y ago
> In a functional workplace... This is assuming a lot. Whose responsibility is it to get to a "functional workplace" and whose responsibility is it to fix it if it's not functional? And assuming that there is a "social contract" that everyone that's in the workplace buys into is also assuming a lot.
therealdrag0 2y ago
Sounds disconnected from reality. And it’s not the workplaces fault, it’s human natures fault.
- cyanydeez 2y ago
  Its amazing how much people think orgs like the church, government, business are some naturally malevolent or benign thing. Just because they have been given some set of rights and social power. Weve seen how they organize and adapt are what classifies the innaye "good"
huytersd 2y ago
This isn’t realistic thinking. The above doesn’t exist anywhere.
- detourdog 2y ago
  The above definitely exists all over. The group usually hires based on personality. Generally these organizations are very centered and know what qualities they are looking for in a a team mate.
- boznz 2y ago
  small teams generally self-organise under a single leader, eg sports teams and it is often the other members of the team who self-check as they have to take up the load for anyone who does not perform.
  - cyanydeez 2y ago
    Uunfortunately, few.projects.exist where.these pods can remain isolated.
reactordev 2y ago
>”By the time someone has entered the workforce it should not be necessary to be ‘checked on’ by some surrogate parental figure.” Hire some recent grads and then make that statement. Not all require checking in on, but often entry-level, junior folks do. Don’t ignore them and don’t hold it against them. You, I’m sure, had someone checking in on you when you first started. Not in a “Are you at your desk” way but a “Are you able to complete the tasks? If not, how can I help you?” Sadly the last few years with remote work and layoffs have made it so companies get rid of those who are “just doing the job” and keeping those that are “always the job”. Brutal.
tveita 2y ago
On the one hand, yes, of course, and on the other hand on articles about "double employment" you'll see comments basically arguing that the company deserves it if your manager isn't micromanaging you and tracking metrics enough to spot that you're phoning it in.

p1esk 2y ago

And what about all the bs artists, slackers, divas, or assholes on the team? What if no one on the team wants to play “manager”, especially without the title? What if no one on the team has the skills to be an effective manager? What if my colleague Bob decides to play the role of a manager but I don’t like him? What if two people want to manage and disagree on things? Who exactly is supposed to have the authority to tell people what to do, and then hold them accountable? What you described smells like communism - might work on small scale in some isolated cases, but usually doesn’t.

mingusrude 2y ago

> In a functional workplace... This is assuming a lot. Whose responsibility is it to get to a "functional workplace" and whose responsibility is it to fix it if it's not functional? And assuming that there is a "social contract" that everyone that's in the workplace buys into is also assuming a lot.

therealdrag0 2y ago

Sounds disconnected from reality. And it’s not the workplaces fault, it’s human natures fault.

cyanydeez 2y ago
Its amazing how much people think orgs like the church, government, business are some naturally malevolent or benign thing. Just because they have been given some set of rights and social power. Weve seen how they organize and adapt are what classifies the innaye "good"

huytersd 2y ago

This isn’t realistic thinking. The above doesn’t exist anywhere.

detourdog 2y ago
The above definitely exists all over. The group usually hires based on personality. Generally these organizations are very centered and know what qualities they are looking for in a a team mate.
boznz 2y ago
small teams generally self-organise under a single leader, eg sports teams and it is often the other members of the team who self-check as they have to take up the load for anyone who does not perform.
- cyanydeez 2y ago
  Uunfortunately, few.projects.exist where.these pods can remain isolated.

reactordev 2y ago

>”By the time someone has entered the workforce it should not be necessary to be ‘checked on’ by some surrogate parental figure.” Hire some recent grads and then make that statement. Not all require checking in on, but often entry-level, junior folks do. Don’t ignore them and don’t hold it against them. You, I’m sure, had someone checking in on you when you first started. Not in a “Are you at your desk” way but a “Are you able to complete the tasks? If not, how can I help you?” Sadly the last few years with remote work and layoffs have made it so companies get rid of those who are “just doing the job” and keeping those that are “always the job”. Brutal.

tveita 2y ago

On the one hand, yes, of course, and on the other hand on articles about "double employment" you'll see comments basically arguing that the company deserves it if your manager isn't micromanaging you and tracking metrics enough to spot that you're phoning it in.