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Who checks on if you’ve completed your assigned work. This can only be possible in an academic/non profit environment where there are no deadlines or fixed clie

Who checks on if you’ve completed your assigned work. This can only be possible in an academic/non profit environment where there are no deadlines or fixed client commitments.

smcleod 2y ago
My team meets every morning for 15 mins to discuss our progress and any blockers. Then we meet every week or two to pick up work. It works well.
anon7725 2y ago
There are multiple dimensions in the latent space that is contemporary white collar management. One is interfacing the work of a group of people with the needs and wants of others. Another is doing administrative things like who has done this compliance course or who needs a security authorization. A third is allocating credit and blame to group members (aka compensation). A fourth is ensuring that the work product itself is on track (aka technical leadership). A fifth is ensuring that schedule commitments to other stakeholders are honored. If you take out the third dimension (credit and blame), then even if a single person happens to do the other 4, they probably won’t feel much like what you’d call a “manager” today. This is a long-winded way of saying that the various things a manager does can be disaggregated and either spread around the team, eliminated or given to a different person.
fourfun 2y ago
Your stakeholders?
csnover 2y ago
By the time someone has entered the workforce it should not be necessary to be ‘checked on’ by some surrogate parental figure. In a functioning workplace, everyone agrees to do their work because it is part of the social contract of working on a team. They don’t need to be told what to do. If someone is falling behind, they’ll talk to other team members and work together to get back on track. You are there to help your coworkers, and they are there to help you. Someone doesn’t have to be your manager to make sure projects run smoothly; everyone can take turns in this role if they feel like it’s something they’re interested in doing and are competent in that role. It’s only through the distorted lens of corporate ladder climbing and backstabbing departmental politics that the idea arises that you’ll just hire untrustworthy people and then beat them into submission by making a workplace into a prison.
- p1esk 2y ago
  And what about all the bs artists, slackers, divas, or assholes on the team? What if no one on the team wants to play “manager”, especially without the title? What if no one on the team has the skills to be an effective manager? What if my colleague Bob decides to play the role of a manager but I don’t like him? What if two people want to manage and disagree on things? Who exactly is supposed to have the authority to tell people what to do, and then hold them accountable? What you described smells like communism - might work on small scale in some isolated cases, but usually doesn’t.
- mingusrude 2y ago
  > In a functional workplace... This is assuming a lot. Whose responsibility is it to get to a "functional workplace" and whose responsibility is it to fix it if it's not functional? And assuming that there is a "social contract" that everyone that's in the workplace buys into is also assuming a lot.
- therealdrag0 2y ago
  Sounds disconnected from reality. And it’s not the workplaces fault, it’s human natures fault.
  - cyanydeez 2y ago
    Its amazing how much people think orgs like the church, government, business are some naturally malevolent or benign thing. Just because they have been given some set of rights and social power. Weve seen how they organize and adapt are what classifies the innaye "good"
- huytersd 2y ago
  This isn’t realistic thinking. The above doesn’t exist anywhere.
  - detourdog 2y ago
    The above definitely exists all over. The group usually hires based on personality. Generally these organizations are very centered and know what qualities they are looking for in a a team mate.
yau8edq12i 2y ago
No deadlines or fixed commitments in academia? Surely you're joking.

Who checks on if you’ve completed your assigned work. This can only be possible in an academic/non profit environment where there are no deadlines or fixed client commitments.

smcleod 2y ago

My team meets every morning for 15 mins to discuss our progress and any blockers. Then we meet every week or two to pick up work. It works well.

anon7725 2y ago

There are multiple dimensions in the latent space that is contemporary white collar management. One is interfacing the work of a group of people with the needs and wants of others. Another is doing administrative things like who has done this compliance course or who needs a security authorization. A third is allocating credit and blame to group members (aka compensation). A fourth is ensuring that the work product itself is on track (aka technical leadership). A fifth is ensuring that schedule commitments to other stakeholders are honored. If you take out the third dimension (credit and blame), then even if a single person happens to do the other 4, they probably won’t feel much like what you’d call a “manager” today. This is a long-winded way of saying that the various things a manager does can be disaggregated and either spread around the team, eliminated or given to a different person.

fourfun 2y ago

Your stakeholders?

csnover 2y ago

By the time someone has entered the workforce it should not be necessary to be ‘checked on’ by some surrogate parental figure. In a functioning workplace, everyone agrees to do their work because it is part of the social contract of working on a team. They don’t need to be told what to do. If someone is falling behind, they’ll talk to other team members and work together to get back on track. You are there to help your coworkers, and they are there to help you. Someone doesn’t have to be your manager to make sure projects run smoothly; everyone can take turns in this role if they feel like it’s something they’re interested in doing and are competent in that role. It’s only through the distorted lens of corporate ladder climbing and backstabbing departmental politics that the idea arises that you’ll just hire untrustworthy people and then beat them into submission by making a workplace into a prison.

p1esk 2y ago
And what about all the bs artists, slackers, divas, or assholes on the team? What if no one on the team wants to play “manager”, especially without the title? What if no one on the team has the skills to be an effective manager? What if my colleague Bob decides to play the role of a manager but I don’t like him? What if two people want to manage and disagree on things? Who exactly is supposed to have the authority to tell people what to do, and then hold them accountable? What you described smells like communism - might work on small scale in some isolated cases, but usually doesn’t.
mingusrude 2y ago
> In a functional workplace... This is assuming a lot. Whose responsibility is it to get to a "functional workplace" and whose responsibility is it to fix it if it's not functional? And assuming that there is a "social contract" that everyone that's in the workplace buys into is also assuming a lot.
therealdrag0 2y ago
Sounds disconnected from reality. And it’s not the workplaces fault, it’s human natures fault.
- cyanydeez 2y ago
  Its amazing how much people think orgs like the church, government, business are some naturally malevolent or benign thing. Just because they have been given some set of rights and social power. Weve seen how they organize and adapt are what classifies the innaye "good"
huytersd 2y ago
This isn’t realistic thinking. The above doesn’t exist anywhere.
- detourdog 2y ago
  The above definitely exists all over. The group usually hires based on personality. Generally these organizations are very centered and know what qualities they are looking for in a a team mate.

yau8edq12i 2y ago

No deadlines or fixed commitments in academia? Surely you're joking.