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Tuskegee. > Documents just released show the government in 1973 knew about the trials at Treloars and covered some costs. There's no perfect system. When the

Tuskegee. > Documents just released show the government in 1973 knew about the trials at Treloars and covered some costs. There's no perfect system. When the regulator, or the regulator's boss, is in on it, or when the industry has captured the regulator (which invariably happens), all that paperwork, all those regulations, all that complication -- they do nothing to protect the victims.

malfist 3y ago
A solution doesn't have to be perfect to be a solution. It just has to be better than the alternative.
- cryptonector 3y ago
  Regulations and regulators are awesome right up until they are captured, and then they can be worse than no solution, especially when the "solution" comes with immunity from civil suits.
  - marcinzm 3y ago
    And yet despite a century of ever increasing regulations mining and factory injury and death rates have somehow not gone back up to their 1900 levels as you seem to claim they should have.
    - cryptonector 3y ago
      > as you seem to claim they should have. Please don't do that. I said nothing of the sort. Plus what you did, besides being the "have you stopped beating your wife yet" sort of disgusting attack, is also whataboutism. The thing about workplace safety is that a) employers don't relish their employees getting hurt or dying on the job, b) employers don't benefit when their employees get hurt or die on the job, so even if there were no regulations employers would still not go back to 120 years ago states of workplace safety, c) regulations here can help force employers to make better calculations regarding costs and benefits of improving workplace safety as it's on the improvement side that the costs mostly lie. So you see, there is not much benefit to the industry in capturing the regulator for the purpose of undoing workplace safety regulations.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  Regulations that don't solve a problem won't solve a problem. Lots and lots of regulations are ok to exist only as long as they do something useful. If they are useless, piling more useless ones isn't better than the alternative. On the real world, we tend to have plenty of the useless ones, and only a few of the very useful ones. When someone complain about the first set, people are quick to throw the second set at them like if it addressed the problem.

malfist 3y ago

A solution doesn't have to be perfect to be a solution. It just has to be better than the alternative.

cryptonector 3y ago
Regulations and regulators are awesome right up until they are captured, and then they can be worse than no solution, especially when the "solution" comes with immunity from civil suits.
- marcinzm 3y ago
  And yet despite a century of ever increasing regulations mining and factory injury and death rates have somehow not gone back up to their 1900 levels as you seem to claim they should have.
  - cryptonector 3y ago
    > as you seem to claim they should have. Please don't do that. I said nothing of the sort. Plus what you did, besides being the "have you stopped beating your wife yet" sort of disgusting attack, is also whataboutism. The thing about workplace safety is that a) employers don't relish their employees getting hurt or dying on the job, b) employers don't benefit when their employees get hurt or die on the job, so even if there were no regulations employers would still not go back to 120 years ago states of workplace safety, c) regulations here can help force employers to make better calculations regarding costs and benefits of improving workplace safety as it's on the improvement side that the costs mostly lie. So you see, there is not much benefit to the industry in capturing the regulator for the purpose of undoing workplace safety regulations.
marcosdumay 3y ago
Regulations that don't solve a problem won't solve a problem. Lots and lots of regulations are ok to exist only as long as they do something useful. If they are useless, piling more useless ones isn't better than the alternative. On the real world, we tend to have plenty of the useless ones, and only a few of the very useful ones. When someone complain about the first set, people are quick to throw the second set at them like if it addressed the problem.