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At least they've only sold 3800 so far. But what are the odds this is the only thing that will need to be recalled?
by ProjectArcturis 2y ago
At least they've only sold 3800 so far. But what are the odds this is the only thing that will need to be recalled?
- tehlike 2y agoFirst year of New models from any manufacturer will have issues to iron out
- bitcharmer 2y agoSure but what calibre of issues should you expect? Surely not faulty pedals causing the vehicle to accelerate.
- ripjaygn 2y agoToyota's wheels have been literally falling off their cars. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/cars/toyota-bz4x-tundra-recall/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/cars/toyota-bz4x-tundra-recal... What is their reputation on reliability on here? How many decades have they been making cars compared and how mature is their manufacturing process? You just don't hear about other carmakers' recalls on here, so everyone makes those assumptions you just did, that Tesla is disproportionately bad with quality issues..
- mcculley 2y agoDisproportionately? Does Tesla ship as many vehicles as Toyota? You have made me curious about the numbers you are using.
- ripjaygn 2y agoTesla doesn't even register in the top 10 most recalls per car company in 2023. https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png https://i.imgur.com/bygtzk2.png What data are you using? How many of Ford Motor's 58 recalls in 2023 made HN's front page? Meanwhile Tesla updates the car UIs icon sizes via a software update, and there are headlines all over the media including HN stating that Tesla recalled millions of cars, omitting that it was a software update. That makes people like the GP think Teslas have disproportionately worse issues, which appears to be the objective.
- mcculley 2y ago> What data are you using? I’m not the one claiming anything about proportions. I didn’t claim to have any data. How did you arrive at your proportions?
- cycomanic 2y agoHow is recalls per company a valid metric? Should it be at least normalised by number of models (e.g. if we assume design flaws)? By that metric Fords 58 are normalised by 40 odd models (only counting current) while Teslas 20 are normalised by 6 models (counting any car/truck build).
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- Thorrez 2y agoWhy would number of recalls be proportional to number of vehicles shipped? I think number of recalls would be more proportional to number of car models available. And number of vehicles recalled would be proportional to number of vehicles shipped. In this case 3,878 vehicles were recalled.
- mcculley 2y agoTo me, “disproportionately bad with quality issues” would be about total units shipped.
- ripjaygn 2y agoTotal units shipped since the inception of the company? I think the NHTSA was only formed in 1970.
- mcculley 2y agoWhich metric are you using when you use the word disproportionately?
- ripjaygn 2y agoLinked it in the other comment that you had replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40086651
- mcculley 2y agoThat says 2023. I don’t see Toyota mentioned in there at all. Maybe I’m missing something.
- ripjaygn 2y agoToyota had a recall just a couple of days ago. That story wasn't even submitted to HN, while the Cybertruck already made the front page a couple of times and will probably continue to do so. That's a perfect example of disproportionate coverage leading to several commenters on this story automatically assuming Tesla is worse than other manufacturers. And somehow you didn't ask them for data saying you were curious but immediately jumped on my comment. That's typically not the behavior of someone that's starting with no data and neutral.
- phatfish 2y agoAt least the wheels falling off slow the car down.
- ripjaygn 2y agoAt least you can steer the car with unintentional acceleration, unlike with wheels falling off.
- toast0 2y agoYou can steer as long as you've got three wheels. Not as well as with four of course. With a modern brake system, you should have some braking power too. I know someone who lost a wheel on an 1965 truck with a single chamber brake cylinder, so there was no pressure in the system as brake parts fell off with the wheel.
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- ripjaygn 2y agoPlease don't make unfounded assertions.
- dang 2y agoCould you please stop posting flamewar comments and stop using HN primarily for ideological battle? We have to ban accounts that do those things. They're not what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- andreygrehov 2y agoThere is no calibre of expected issues. Nobody’s a prophet. Faulty pedals happened in the past with other car manufacturers.
- jtriangle 2y agoToyota had the floor mat thing as well, that was big news for awhile.
- tehlike 2y agoLiterally anything can happen. I never liked the idea of buying a Tesla, but let's be fair.
- AirMax98 2y agoSome of the 2022 Broncos were literally dropping valves right off the lot, so this feels quite minor.
- MBCook 2y agoFirst year Ford Mustang Mach E: can confirm.
- xyst 2y agoTesla is losing money on every truck sold at this point. The recall is just another multimillion dollar deficit on the books now. Whether this product line will be sustainable (or exist) 1 year from now is unlikely. Lackluster sales. Poor public perception. Truck would likely need another overhaul (more money burned) and another 1-2 year loss leader phase to test the market, and get their build processes updated to scale.
- ZuLuuuuuu 2y agoTesla could have owned the entire EV truck market currently, if they didn't choose to make a truck that required a big amount of R&D and is hard to build. Why Tesla chose such a path completely baffles me. Tesla's mission was "to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy" which they were doing by making solid and affordable EVs and electric storage solutions. One of the biggest reasons of the success of Model S was because it had a modern but conventional design unlike the other toy-like EV cars on the market at the time. Model S proved that it is possible to build a modern conventional EV car that people can buy. It feels like Cybertruck is coming from a completely different mission statement. Actually most of the decisions they have been taking for the last 2-3 years feel like it.
- financetechbro 2y agoI don’t see Elon as a business genius and thus the idiotic decision to go thru with production for this truck is not at all a surprise to me
- mattbrewsbytes 2y agoI don't think your first sentence can hold true as soon as the designs were released. The way to capture EV truck market is to make something that looks like a truck. Cybertruck is ugly as all get out. I saw a Ford F-150 Lightning the other day, looks practically the same as an ICE F-150.
- mft_ 2y agoI've seen rumours here and there (albeit nothing particularly reliable) that the Cybertruck might be a platform used to learn about this design/manufacturing approach. It's hard because it's hard, but the Cybertruck is how they learn how to make it easier. The thinking being, of course, that if/when they get it nailed, they've potentially got an advantage to leverage over other manufacturers for future cars such as the Model 2. Only time will tell whether this is the case, and whether it worked.