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I know some very good programmers who are female, and none of them have ever mentioned being female. They just collaborate well and get stuff done. Anyone could

I know some very good programmers who are female, and none of them have ever mentioned being female. They just collaborate well and get stuff done. Anyone could learn from them. On the other hand, our high school "girl in CS" poster child got into top colleges playing that angle before it was very common, and she didn't know how to code and didn't go into CS. IIRC her achievement was app GUI mockups, implemented by someone else in our class.

__lbracket__ 3y ago
I've seen quite a few women coders like that and your description is consistent with my experience. Also you wont find them in WWC type avenues. Those avenues almost attract the types who like the idea of coding than the deed itself.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Can't entirely blame them, I'm tired of coding too
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  This is not specific to women/minority groups nor coding. It's closer to the typical "content creator"/media/influencer grift, just that these minority groups seem like a more fertile ground for this kind of person to break into than starting from scratch. People who are good at a particular skill/craft just do it and call it a day. They don't have time to talk about the craft because all their time is spent doing the craft and making money. People who are less good, or outright incapable of doing the craft instead try the content creation/influencer angle, where success is defined making it look like you are successful at the craft, regardless of whether you actually do it. The odds of success in media-related roles such as content creation or "influencing" are so low that any craft will on average pay more, so if you are actually capable of doing a craft it makes more sense to do it than merely talk about it, therefore I highly suspect those who lean towards the talking angle do so because they can't actually succeed at the doing angle. The craft can be coding/software engineering, AI, or even old-school trades like woodworking, electrical/plumbing/etc. As an example, there's a UK-based electrical contractor with a YouTube channel with quite high production value, expensive top-of-the-line tools, etc that is even selling courses/workshops about running an electrician business, and yet recently it turned out that their actual business was sinking and they had to lay people off - good on them to have the balls to admit it but it shows you the truth behind the whole operation.
jimbokun 3y ago
UX is a very very valuable skill set, albeit quite different from core CS.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  It is, but the mockups weren't too special. Multiple other students did something similar.

__lbracket__ 3y ago

I've seen quite a few women coders like that and your description is consistent with my experience. Also you wont find them in WWC type avenues. Those avenues almost attract the types who like the idea of coding than the deed itself.

hot_gril 3y ago
Can't entirely blame them, I'm tired of coding too
Nextgrid 3y ago
This is not specific to women/minority groups nor coding. It's closer to the typical "content creator"/media/influencer grift, just that these minority groups seem like a more fertile ground for this kind of person to break into than starting from scratch. People who are good at a particular skill/craft just do it and call it a day. They don't have time to talk about the craft because all their time is spent doing the craft and making money. People who are less good, or outright incapable of doing the craft instead try the content creation/influencer angle, where success is defined making it look like you are successful at the craft, regardless of whether you actually do it. The odds of success in media-related roles such as content creation or "influencing" are so low that any craft will on average pay more, so if you are actually capable of doing a craft it makes more sense to do it than merely talk about it, therefore I highly suspect those who lean towards the talking angle do so because they can't actually succeed at the doing angle. The craft can be coding/software engineering, AI, or even old-school trades like woodworking, electrical/plumbing/etc. As an example, there's a UK-based electrical contractor with a YouTube channel with quite high production value, expensive top-of-the-line tools, etc that is even selling courses/workshops about running an electrician business, and yet recently it turned out that their actual business was sinking and they had to lay people off - good on them to have the balls to admit it but it shows you the truth behind the whole operation.

jimbokun 3y ago

UX is a very very valuable skill set, albeit quite different from core CS.

hot_gril 3y ago
It is, but the mockups weren't too special. Multiple other students did something similar.