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Was Women Who Code particularly important to women coding?

by jncfhnb 3y ago

swayvil 3y ago
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- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Men dominate most full-time roles. They never needed help, even when most programming was done by women. In that early era men didn't face harassment, lower pay, or isolation when they took on the job. Yet today many women still report such trouble trying to break into coding.
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  - roenxi 3y ago
    > In that early era men didn't face harassment, lower pay, or isolation when they took on the job. At least 2/3 of those are not blockers to female representation: * Women getting paid less than men isn't something that stands up well to scrutiny [0]. I'd say for most jobs I've applied to the plan by the company was to pay women as much or more than me for equivalent work. And when people bring up statistics in online debates any gap favouring men is typically a statistical artefact. * Isolation would barely be a factor if men saw a high-paid industry they could break in to. It'd be a very secure man who turned down a $10-20k pay raise because they wouldn't have enough community. In fact, judging by the HN vibe, most male programmers are unhappy that their job involves too much community and want more WFH jobs and isolated offices. Harassment would be an issue though; it is a constant problem. Although I'm not really sure how to compare it to other industries, a good looking woman faces harassment risk pretty much everywhere. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-...
  - globular-toast 3y ago
    "Men" means every man. Sure, many men who are in full time roles, like me, didn't need help. But some did. And many men without full time roles could have used help. Where is it? Oh, that's right, how could they possibly need help when all these other people with the same genitals didn't need it...
  - bitcharmer 3y ago
    > They never needed help I stopped reading after that. It's a pretty narrow-minded view
catbacon 3y ago
Yes, it probably saved my career. And by the way I have been coding 20+ years and currently work as a Software Architect. The tech environment can be deeply sexist and organizations dedicated to keeping women in tech help ensure that girls have role models for future jobs.
- ipnon 3y ago
  What do you think the best way forward is now? How can programmers such as yourself best be supported?
- jedilord 3y ago
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- jimbokun 3y ago
  What form does this sexism take? Favoring men in interviews over women with same or better skills? Favoring men over women in promotion and compensation decisions?
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  How did save Your career

Was Women Who Code particularly important to women coding?

swayvil 3y ago

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paulryanrogers 3y ago
Men dominate most full-time roles. They never needed help, even when most programming was done by women. In that early era men didn't face harassment, lower pay, or isolation when they took on the job. Yet today many women still report such trouble trying to break into coding.
- swayvil 3y ago
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- roenxi 3y ago
  > In that early era men didn't face harassment, lower pay, or isolation when they took on the job. At least 2/3 of those are not blockers to female representation: * Women getting paid less than men isn't something that stands up well to scrutiny [0]. I'd say for most jobs I've applied to the plan by the company was to pay women as much or more than me for equivalent work. And when people bring up statistics in online debates any gap favouring men is typically a statistical artefact. * Isolation would barely be a factor if men saw a high-paid industry they could break in to. It'd be a very secure man who turned down a $10-20k pay raise because they wouldn't have enough community. In fact, judging by the HN vibe, most male programmers are unhappy that their job involves too much community and want more WFH jobs and isolated offices. Harassment would be an issue though; it is a constant problem. Although I'm not really sure how to compare it to other industries, a good looking woman faces harassment risk pretty much everywhere. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-...
- globular-toast 3y ago
  "Men" means every man. Sure, many men who are in full time roles, like me, didn't need help. But some did. And many men without full time roles could have used help. Where is it? Oh, that's right, how could they possibly need help when all these other people with the same genitals didn't need it...
- bitcharmer 3y ago
  > They never needed help I stopped reading after that. It's a pretty narrow-minded view

catbacon 3y ago

Yes, it probably saved my career. And by the way I have been coding 20+ years and currently work as a Software Architect. The tech environment can be deeply sexist and organizations dedicated to keeping women in tech help ensure that girls have role models for future jobs.

ipnon 3y ago
What do you think the best way forward is now? How can programmers such as yourself best be supported?
jedilord 3y ago
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jimbokun 3y ago
What form does this sexism take? Favoring men in interviews over women with same or better skills? Favoring men over women in promotion and compensation decisions?
jncfhnb 3y ago
How did save Your career