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I've been consistently impressed by Zuckerberg in recent years. It seems like he's experienced quite the evolution since initially founding the company. I'd g

I've been consistently impressed by Zuckerberg in recent years. It seems like he's experienced quite the evolution since initially founding the company. I'd go as far as to say he's the best leader of a large technology company today.

CuriouslyC 2y ago
Satya would like a word. Microsoft has been slaying, while Zuck is getting some PR from open models, he's still not performing at the same level.
- viscanti 2y ago
  Zuck renamed the company Meta, partially because of a deep believe in the Metaverse (perhaps it's too early to call it, but it seems misguided) and partially because of massive amounts of negative press they were getting because of pretty toxic decisions that he was ultimately responsible for at Facebook. I love that he's passionate about AI and that he's supporting the release of somewhat open source models. But it seems a stretch to call him the best right now.
  - stingraycharles 2y ago
    He’s passionate about whatever the current fad is. A few years ago it was the metaverse, now it’s LLMs, and maybe in a few years it’ll be something else. They have the same problem as Google, an initial cash cow and not really able to invent something new, which leaves them very vulnerable to shifts in market behavior (TikTok) or other things. I don’t think he’s a great leader, there’s a reason why Sandberg was so important to the company.
    - efrank3 2y ago
      I disagree. He created the VR fad by buying oculus and he was the first tech CEO to attend NeurIPS back in 2014.
      - nradov 2y ago
        There have been at least two VR fads before the current one. Maybe this one will last. But it's still tough to convince regular people to don VR goggles which make them look like dorks and mess up their hair.
        germinalphrase 2y ago
        More than that, the problem was - and is - motion sickness.
    - burningChrome 2y ago
      >> They have the same problem as Google, an initial cash cow and not really able to invent something new. Which I would also add means they chase fads and have to buy their way into these developing markets, hoping they essentially find their own "facebook" to invest in that then hits big.
    - fire_lake 2y ago
      Yep. Has everyone forgotten the chat bit fad around 2016? They did a whole press conference about it.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  I am skeptical of the fawning views the industry has about Satya. Microsoft has been “slaying” by using anticompetitive practices. They haven’t innovated much. They copied Slack and achieved scale by bundling it with office. They copied AWS and used their enterprise sales channel to push Azure onto captive Windows and Office licensers. They’re now abusing their market position by forcing PC manufacturers to include a proprietary Microsoft Copilot button, by injecting ads and Copilot all over Windows, and using other dark patterns (for example to push Edge over other browsers). I definitely think Satya is a good leader, but I don’t know if he’s a great leader. He’s more like someone who has kept Microsoft going, in both the good and bad ways. It’s easy to enter all these markets by using your existing cash flow and access to users. It’s a totally different challenge to build something from scratch and survive without those advantages. I also think people unfamiliar with Microsoft’s past often ignore Ballmer’s contributions and instead give Satya credit. But Bing began under Ballmer, and Bing’s service infrastructure was the birthplace of Azure.
  - bionhoward 2y ago
    Yeah I used to think highly of Satya but he really seems not to care about fair competition at all, training GitHub Copilot on everyone’s AI code then turning around and saying folks can’t use GitHub Copilot to write AI code, is monopolistic as heck. Sadly it seems like Meta is also anticompetitive. I didn’t know about this, seems embarrassing: “v. You will not use the Llama Materials or any output or results of the Llama Materials to improve any other large language model (excluding Llama 2 or derivative works thereof).” https://github.com/meta-llama/llama/blob/b8348da38fde8644ef00a56596efb376f86838d1/LICENSE#L61 https://github.com/meta-llama/llama/blob/b8348da38fde8644ef0... Also even if you did use Llama for something, they could unilaterally pull the rug on you when you got 700 million years, AND anyone who thinks Meta broke their copyright loses their license. (Checking if you are still getting screwed is against the rules) Therefore, Zuckerberg is accountable for explicitly anticompetitive conduct, I assumed an MMA fighter would appreciate the value of competition, go figure.
  - blagie 2y ago
    Microsoft does a lot less anticompetitive in 2024 than they did in the nineties. It's actually quite a lot of progress. As much as the dark patterns are annoying, Satya also turned around Microsoft's complete inability to build software. It got so bad that virtually no progress was made on any Microsoft products from 2000 through 2010. Many of their developer tools today are... nice. The stock price was the same in 1999 as in 2016. Today, it's up almost 10x. No organization is perfect, and acknowledging everything Microsoft is doing wrong, it's a world of difference from Ballmer. Ballmer was on the far end of the incompetence spectrum, the abusive management style spectrum, and the hardball antitrust spectrum (which no longer even worked with real competition from mobile, iPad, and web apps). A lot of the reason you see so much praise is the comparison. It's easy to ignore Ballmer's contributions, since there weren't any. The ones you give are... a stretch.
- smcleod 2y ago
  Satya isn't doing much good for the world with his products though, look at Windows, Office365, Teams etc... disasters and Azure is technically like "Fischer Price My First Cloud". Meta has done some silly things (VR/metaverse) but they've really done great things for the world in the AI/ML space.
samplatt 2y ago
Eh. He's learned the lesson from Gates, that enough money can buy you into heaven, regardless of your past (or present) sins.
sandspar 2y ago
"Zuckerberg is cool now" became a meme very suddenly. His reputation changed overnight but people don't change overnight. I'd guess part of it is that he hired a team. He's physically and orally expressive in his latest videos. Someone with social awkwardness like him doesn't just develop charisma overnight without being coached. He's even dressing highly fashionably: again something that is unlikely to occur overnight unless you've been coached. If he's hired charisma and fashion coaches to help rewrite his image then it stands to reason that he's hired a PR team as well. As in, he likely has hired a team who use their media contacts to plant positive stories about him. If I'd received the public drubbing that he has, I'd probably hire a team as well.
- mentos 2y ago
  If I had to point to something specific it would be the review of the Apple Vision Pro and his championing of his own company’s work with Quest 3. I wasn’t the biggest fan of him but something about that video hit the right chords for me.
  - sandspar 2y ago
    Yeah I like that video too. His public speaking and body language in it is also clearly a product of professional training. I assume he's received professional presentation training for most of his career. But it seems to have recently clicked for him, something which I attribute to hiring a new team, although I could be wrong.
- paxys 2y ago
  What makes you think it happened "overnight"? He has been improving in all these areas for years. For example he has been training in MMA and BJJ at least since the pandemic and has publicly chronicled his progress.
- ManuelKiessling 2y ago
  „He‘s looking and acting extremely human here, must be running llama 3 under the hood“. As always, the YouTube comments section delivers.
- 2y ago
sureglymop 2y ago
By Zuckerberg or by his employer (Meta)?

CuriouslyC 2y ago

Satya would like a word. Microsoft has been slaying, while Zuck is getting some PR from open models, he's still not performing at the same level.

viscanti 2y ago
Zuck renamed the company Meta, partially because of a deep believe in the Metaverse (perhaps it's too early to call it, but it seems misguided) and partially because of massive amounts of negative press they were getting because of pretty toxic decisions that he was ultimately responsible for at Facebook. I love that he's passionate about AI and that he's supporting the release of somewhat open source models. But it seems a stretch to call him the best right now.
- stingraycharles 2y ago
  He’s passionate about whatever the current fad is. A few years ago it was the metaverse, now it’s LLMs, and maybe in a few years it’ll be something else. They have the same problem as Google, an initial cash cow and not really able to invent something new, which leaves them very vulnerable to shifts in market behavior (TikTok) or other things. I don’t think he’s a great leader, there’s a reason why Sandberg was so important to the company.
  - efrank3 2y ago
    I disagree. He created the VR fad by buying oculus and he was the first tech CEO to attend NeurIPS back in 2014.
    - nradov 2y ago
      There have been at least two VR fads before the current one. Maybe this one will last. But it's still tough to convince regular people to don VR goggles which make them look like dorks and mess up their hair.
      - germinalphrase 2y ago
        More than that, the problem was - and is - motion sickness.
  - burningChrome 2y ago
    >> They have the same problem as Google, an initial cash cow and not really able to invent something new. Which I would also add means they chase fads and have to buy their way into these developing markets, hoping they essentially find their own "facebook" to invest in that then hits big.
  - fire_lake 2y ago
    Yep. Has everyone forgotten the chat bit fad around 2016? They did a whole press conference about it.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
I am skeptical of the fawning views the industry has about Satya. Microsoft has been “slaying” by using anticompetitive practices. They haven’t innovated much. They copied Slack and achieved scale by bundling it with office. They copied AWS and used their enterprise sales channel to push Azure onto captive Windows and Office licensers. They’re now abusing their market position by forcing PC manufacturers to include a proprietary Microsoft Copilot button, by injecting ads and Copilot all over Windows, and using other dark patterns (for example to push Edge over other browsers). I definitely think Satya is a good leader, but I don’t know if he’s a great leader. He’s more like someone who has kept Microsoft going, in both the good and bad ways. It’s easy to enter all these markets by using your existing cash flow and access to users. It’s a totally different challenge to build something from scratch and survive without those advantages. I also think people unfamiliar with Microsoft’s past often ignore Ballmer’s contributions and instead give Satya credit. But Bing began under Ballmer, and Bing’s service infrastructure was the birthplace of Azure.
- bionhoward 2y ago
  Yeah I used to think highly of Satya but he really seems not to care about fair competition at all, training GitHub Copilot on everyone’s AI code then turning around and saying folks can’t use GitHub Copilot to write AI code, is monopolistic as heck. Sadly it seems like Meta is also anticompetitive. I didn’t know about this, seems embarrassing: “v. You will not use the Llama Materials or any output or results of the Llama Materials to improve any other large language model (excluding Llama 2 or derivative works thereof).” https://github.com/meta-llama/llama/blob/b8348da38fde8644ef00a56596efb376f86838d1/LICENSE#L61 https://github.com/meta-llama/llama/blob/b8348da38fde8644ef0... Also even if you did use Llama for something, they could unilaterally pull the rug on you when you got 700 million years, AND anyone who thinks Meta broke their copyright loses their license. (Checking if you are still getting screwed is against the rules) Therefore, Zuckerberg is accountable for explicitly anticompetitive conduct, I assumed an MMA fighter would appreciate the value of competition, go figure.
- blagie 2y ago
  Microsoft does a lot less anticompetitive in 2024 than they did in the nineties. It's actually quite a lot of progress. As much as the dark patterns are annoying, Satya also turned around Microsoft's complete inability to build software. It got so bad that virtually no progress was made on any Microsoft products from 2000 through 2010. Many of their developer tools today are... nice. The stock price was the same in 1999 as in 2016. Today, it's up almost 10x. No organization is perfect, and acknowledging everything Microsoft is doing wrong, it's a world of difference from Ballmer. Ballmer was on the far end of the incompetence spectrum, the abusive management style spectrum, and the hardball antitrust spectrum (which no longer even worked with real competition from mobile, iPad, and web apps). A lot of the reason you see so much praise is the comparison. It's easy to ignore Ballmer's contributions, since there weren't any. The ones you give are... a stretch.
smcleod 2y ago
Satya isn't doing much good for the world with his products though, look at Windows, Office365, Teams etc... disasters and Azure is technically like "Fischer Price My First Cloud". Meta has done some silly things (VR/metaverse) but they've really done great things for the world in the AI/ML space.

samplatt 2y ago

Eh. He's learned the lesson from Gates, that enough money can buy you into heaven, regardless of your past (or present) sins.

sandspar 2y ago

"Zuckerberg is cool now" became a meme very suddenly. His reputation changed overnight but people don't change overnight. I'd guess part of it is that he hired a team. He's physically and orally expressive in his latest videos. Someone with social awkwardness like him doesn't just develop charisma overnight without being coached. He's even dressing highly fashionably: again something that is unlikely to occur overnight unless you've been coached. If he's hired charisma and fashion coaches to help rewrite his image then it stands to reason that he's hired a PR team as well. As in, he likely has hired a team who use their media contacts to plant positive stories about him. If I'd received the public drubbing that he has, I'd probably hire a team as well.

mentos 2y ago
If I had to point to something specific it would be the review of the Apple Vision Pro and his championing of his own company’s work with Quest 3. I wasn’t the biggest fan of him but something about that video hit the right chords for me.
- sandspar 2y ago
  Yeah I like that video too. His public speaking and body language in it is also clearly a product of professional training. I assume he's received professional presentation training for most of his career. But it seems to have recently clicked for him, something which I attribute to hiring a new team, although I could be wrong.
paxys 2y ago
What makes you think it happened "overnight"? He has been improving in all these areas for years. For example he has been training in MMA and BJJ at least since the pandemic and has publicly chronicled his progress.
ManuelKiessling 2y ago
„He‘s looking and acting extremely human here, must be running llama 3 under the hood“. As always, the YouTube comments section delivers.
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sureglymop 2y ago

By Zuckerberg or by his employer (Meta)?