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Just make "personalized" advertising flat out illegal without opt-in --- due to the fact it is built around privacy violation. Problem solved. The EU is just t

Just make "personalized" advertising flat out illegal without opt-in --- due to the fact it is built around privacy violation. Problem solved. The EU is just trying to dance around doing this.

account42 3y ago
> Just make advertising flat out illegal Agreed.
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  I'm not against "context sensitive" advertising. It can even be beneficial at times. If I specifically express a need or interest in a particular product --- for example by doing a search, some ads are not unreasonable. What is blatantly unreasonable and just plain dumb are these ads following me all over the internet on totally unrelated web sites for weeks or months --- long after I have made a purchase and no longer have any need. In a great many cases, "personalized" ads are totally ineffective and waste the advertiser's money while being nothing but a nuisance to the consumer --- squandering his time, attention and communication bandwidth and violating his privacy. Allow those who disagree to "opt in". This should be fair enough but the ad industry knows full well that there would be very few takers.
  - orwin 3y ago
    And context sensitive advertising is nice and easy tbh. Affiliate links to professional tools or paint in a decoration/woodwork blog goes a long way. Probably if you're big you might want stuff a bit more complex, but for hacker it's quite good. The electronic blog I follow only have affiliate links as ads, and they seems to do quite well.
Nextgrid 3y ago
It is illegal as per the GDPR. The problem is that GDPR enforcement is severely lacking, even in Facebook's case where there is plenty of evidence of bad faith as opposed to legitimate mistakes. (please don't bother posting that "enforcement tracker" link - what matters is not the absolute count/amount of fines but said metrics relative to the total amount of breaches and/or estimated profit earned from them)
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  It is illegal as per the GDPR. Then they should simply tell Meta. There should be no need to debate or dance around privacy paywalls. But they obviously haven't done this.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    GDPR enforcement is flawed. The regulator (Irish DPC) that has the power to do so is incompetent and/or corrupt (they have prior history of being "nice" to Meta despite sufficient evidence of bad faith). This escalation to the EPDB is yet another attempt to get the Irish DPC to do what they were supposed to do in the first place. There is little political will to fix this however, and data protection regulators are generally useless in every country (maybe not to the level of the DPC, but still). Here's a breakdown of EU-wide cases showing that over 50% of them are stuck for 2+ years: https://noyb.eu/en/project/dpa https://noyb.eu/en/project/dpa
  - logifail 3y ago
    >> It is illegal as per the GDPR. > Then they should simply tell Meta Umm, who's the they in this? Call me naive, but I'd assumed corporations were expected to comply with applicable laws without having to be told to.

Just make "personalized" advertising flat out illegal without opt-in --- due to the fact it is built around privacy violation. Problem solved. The EU is just trying to dance around doing this.

account42 3y ago

> Just make advertising flat out illegal Agreed.

jqpabc123 3y ago
I'm not against "context sensitive" advertising. It can even be beneficial at times. If I specifically express a need or interest in a particular product --- for example by doing a search, some ads are not unreasonable. What is blatantly unreasonable and just plain dumb are these ads following me all over the internet on totally unrelated web sites for weeks or months --- long after I have made a purchase and no longer have any need. In a great many cases, "personalized" ads are totally ineffective and waste the advertiser's money while being nothing but a nuisance to the consumer --- squandering his time, attention and communication bandwidth and violating his privacy. Allow those who disagree to "opt in". This should be fair enough but the ad industry knows full well that there would be very few takers.
- orwin 3y ago
  And context sensitive advertising is nice and easy tbh. Affiliate links to professional tools or paint in a decoration/woodwork blog goes a long way. Probably if you're big you might want stuff a bit more complex, but for hacker it's quite good. The electronic blog I follow only have affiliate links as ads, and they seems to do quite well.

Nextgrid 3y ago

It is illegal as per the GDPR. The problem is that GDPR enforcement is severely lacking, even in Facebook's case where there is plenty of evidence of bad faith as opposed to legitimate mistakes. (please don't bother posting that "enforcement tracker" link - what matters is not the absolute count/amount of fines but said metrics relative to the total amount of breaches and/or estimated profit earned from them)

jqpabc123 3y ago
It is illegal as per the GDPR. Then they should simply tell Meta. There should be no need to debate or dance around privacy paywalls. But they obviously haven't done this.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  GDPR enforcement is flawed. The regulator (Irish DPC) that has the power to do so is incompetent and/or corrupt (they have prior history of being "nice" to Meta despite sufficient evidence of bad faith). This escalation to the EPDB is yet another attempt to get the Irish DPC to do what they were supposed to do in the first place. There is little political will to fix this however, and data protection regulators are generally useless in every country (maybe not to the level of the DPC, but still). Here's a breakdown of EU-wide cases showing that over 50% of them are stuck for 2+ years: https://noyb.eu/en/project/dpa https://noyb.eu/en/project/dpa
- logifail 3y ago
  >> It is illegal as per the GDPR. > Then they should simply tell Meta Umm, who's the they in this? Call me naive, but I'd assumed corporations were expected to comply with applicable laws without having to be told to.