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Yes. The symptoms started the day after her 3rd jab. Basically she got that “woa i got jabbed yesterday and feel like shit” thing many people got, but then it j

Yes. The symptoms started the day after her 3rd jab. Basically she got that “woa i got jabbed yesterday and feel like shit” thing many people got, but then it just never went away. She got covid 1.5 months after that jab so there’s no telling whether the jab or the covid was the key cause to her long-time postcovid. The covid infection itself wasn’t particularly heavy. We very much want to stay out of the “covid vaccines are evil/fantastic” debate. It’s fruitless. I will not respond to any comment suggesting that somehow we’re wrong and well actually, it couldn’t have been caused by the vaccine / the covid infection, or that postcovid is an imaginary disease.

armchairdweller 3y ago
Thank you for your honesty. Maybe one of the downvoters would like to explain why he / she finds this question so emotionally triggering.
- baobabKoodaa 3y ago
  I didn't downvote, but I'll answer anyway: there was a propaganda campaign of unprecedented scale espousing the "safety" of these covid vaccines (which didn't go through the normal, rigorous testing process that vaccines usually go through). The propaganda was so successful that a large percentage of the population is still fanatically making false claims about vaccine safety, despite the large number of people who reported serious adverse side effects. At this point pretty much every person on earth knows at least one person who has "long covid symptoms" from the covid vaccine. And yet we have a bunch of people re-enacting the propaganda of 2021 and downvoting any comment that talks about vaccine side effects...
  - Izkata 3y ago
    Most of them seem to be convinced it was because of finally getting infected (just scroll around this page for a bunch of examples), and I think they're half right. Late 2022 there was a paper about how the mRNA vaccines caused the body to produce more IgG4 antibodies*, which, simplified, are a sort of "stand down" antibody meant for things like dust and pollen. I think in at least some people the mRNA vaccines appear to work by suppressing symptoms (which also explains Pfizer's 95% effective, in that trial they only tested people who actually showed symptoms first), but actually they allow the virus to run rampant when the person is eventually infected. So the association is with the virus instead of the vaccines, and they assume it would have been worse without when we just really don't know. * https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798
    - baobabKoodaa 3y ago
      I have a family member who got severe symptoms after each vaccine shot. For the first 3 shots the symptoms eventually subsided. For the 4th shot they didn't. And it's been a few years now. I suspect it's a chronic condition. Coming back to your point, is it possible that my family member - just by pure coincidence - happened to get covid immediately after each shot? 4 times?
armchairdweller 3y ago
There are some expansive postcovid & postvax protocols on the flccc pages. Early on I had checked some of their references (e.g. on natto) and it looked good enough considering the speed of real science. Maybe good to check them out, and natto makes a good breakfast. In general they assume the condition is some kind of spikeopathy, wherever it comes from. (The holy-vax crowd has discredited anything not approved by the marketing departments of the pharmaceutical industry from the beginning, so they won’t like this either.)
baseline-shift 3y ago
The earliest vaccines injected at tiny amount of the disease, from smallpox on. So she probably expected to feel like shit, and that's why she felt like shit. However the covid vaccines did not have any covid in them. So there is no way she got a taste of covid shittyness. Most traditional vaccines consist of either killed or weakened forms of a virus or bacterium. These provoke an immune response that allows the body to fight off the actual pathogen later on. Instead of delivering a virus, RNA vaccines deliver genetic information that allows the body’s own cells to produce a viral protein which stimulate the immune system to mount a response, without posing any risk of infection.
- t0bia_s 3y ago
  Also cause great potential for autoimmune reaponse. Because spike proteins wont stay only in muscle where was mRNA vaccine injected. Thats why dedinition of vaccines was changed in 2020.
- skrebbel 3y ago
  “Well actually, your sick wife couldn’t have gotten sick when she got sick” I know I said I wouldn’t respond to this but I can’t not. Do you understand how unkind you’re being? You don’t understand how postcovid works because nobody does. Maybe it’s not caused directly by the virus but by the immune response, or something else entirely, or a combination of 7 things, who knows. I’m telling you it started the day after her third jab. This is n=1 stuff, not generalizable science, but you’re suggesting that my wife is imagining things for 2 years and counting now, which you can apparently diagnose by reading an internet comment or two, and I’m saying it’s not nice to piss on people with real problems like that. Please try to be less dismissive.
mnw21cam 3y ago
I had four covid vaccines with no trouble whatsoever, but after catching covid for real, I was hospitalised for a night, slowly recovered, and then a few months later got the fatigue and brain fog. Now, 2 years later, I have recovered my physical fitness, but the brain fog remains. Different people respond to the vaccines and the real thing differently. But this is an anecdatum saying the vaccines were fine.
- pi-e-sigma 3y ago
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armchairdweller 3y ago

Thank you for your honesty. Maybe one of the downvoters would like to explain why he / she finds this question so emotionally triggering.

baobabKoodaa 3y ago
I didn't downvote, but I'll answer anyway: there was a propaganda campaign of unprecedented scale espousing the "safety" of these covid vaccines (which didn't go through the normal, rigorous testing process that vaccines usually go through). The propaganda was so successful that a large percentage of the population is still fanatically making false claims about vaccine safety, despite the large number of people who reported serious adverse side effects. At this point pretty much every person on earth knows at least one person who has "long covid symptoms" from the covid vaccine. And yet we have a bunch of people re-enacting the propaganda of 2021 and downvoting any comment that talks about vaccine side effects...
- Izkata 3y ago
  Most of them seem to be convinced it was because of finally getting infected (just scroll around this page for a bunch of examples), and I think they're half right. Late 2022 there was a paper about how the mRNA vaccines caused the body to produce more IgG4 antibodies*, which, simplified, are a sort of "stand down" antibody meant for things like dust and pollen. I think in at least some people the mRNA vaccines appear to work by suppressing symptoms (which also explains Pfizer's 95% effective, in that trial they only tested people who actually showed symptoms first), but actually they allow the virus to run rampant when the person is eventually infected. So the association is with the virus instead of the vaccines, and they assume it would have been worse without when we just really don't know. * https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798
  - baobabKoodaa 3y ago
    I have a family member who got severe symptoms after each vaccine shot. For the first 3 shots the symptoms eventually subsided. For the 4th shot they didn't. And it's been a few years now. I suspect it's a chronic condition. Coming back to your point, is it possible that my family member - just by pure coincidence - happened to get covid immediately after each shot? 4 times?

armchairdweller 3y ago

There are some expansive postcovid & postvax protocols on the flccc pages. Early on I had checked some of their references (e.g. on natto) and it looked good enough considering the speed of real science. Maybe good to check them out, and natto makes a good breakfast. In general they assume the condition is some kind of spikeopathy, wherever it comes from. (The holy-vax crowd has discredited anything not approved by the marketing departments of the pharmaceutical industry from the beginning, so they won’t like this either.)

baseline-shift 3y ago

The earliest vaccines injected at tiny amount of the disease, from smallpox on. So she probably expected to feel like shit, and that's why she felt like shit. However the covid vaccines did not have any covid in them. So there is no way she got a taste of covid shittyness. Most traditional vaccines consist of either killed or weakened forms of a virus or bacterium. These provoke an immune response that allows the body to fight off the actual pathogen later on. Instead of delivering a virus, RNA vaccines deliver genetic information that allows the body’s own cells to produce a viral protein which stimulate the immune system to mount a response, without posing any risk of infection.

t0bia_s 3y ago
Also cause great potential for autoimmune reaponse. Because spike proteins wont stay only in muscle where was mRNA vaccine injected. Thats why dedinition of vaccines was changed in 2020.
skrebbel 3y ago
“Well actually, your sick wife couldn’t have gotten sick when she got sick” I know I said I wouldn’t respond to this but I can’t not. Do you understand how unkind you’re being? You don’t understand how postcovid works because nobody does. Maybe it’s not caused directly by the virus but by the immune response, or something else entirely, or a combination of 7 things, who knows. I’m telling you it started the day after her third jab. This is n=1 stuff, not generalizable science, but you’re suggesting that my wife is imagining things for 2 years and counting now, which you can apparently diagnose by reading an internet comment or two, and I’m saying it’s not nice to piss on people with real problems like that. Please try to be less dismissive.

mnw21cam 3y ago

I had four covid vaccines with no trouble whatsoever, but after catching covid for real, I was hospitalised for a night, slowly recovered, and then a few months later got the fatigue and brain fog. Now, 2 years later, I have recovered my physical fitness, but the brain fog remains. Different people respond to the vaccines and the real thing differently. But this is an anecdatum saying the vaccines were fine.

pi-e-sigma 3y ago
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