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Just gonna note this is still a thing https://ssotax.org/ https://ssotax.org/

by ikiris 2y ago

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supermatt 2y ago
And it also seems like its wrong (or outdated?), Given they offer "SSO with any IdP" on ALL plans, including the free (personal) one: https://tailscale.com/pricing https://tailscale.com/pricing
- mkl 2y ago
  It says updated 2024-03-13 from source https://tailscale.com/pricing https://tailscale.com/pricing, but "SSO with any IdP" is in the Starter plan before that [edit: no, I'm wrong, it used to say "standard" not "any"]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240309045009/https://tailscale.com/pricing https://web.archive.org/web/20240309045009/https://tailscale... Are they talking about something different?
  - orthoxerox 2y ago
    SSO Tax is usually about using your private SSO, not Google or GitHub. If they say "any IdP", then the data on ssotax must be out of date.
    - mkl 2y ago
      Oh, you're right. It used to say "SSO with standard IdP" and now says "SSO with any IdP". The site is out of date, despite its claimed update date.
      - mathiasn 2y ago
        It's a community project, you can just update it :-)
  - ikiris 2y ago
    Oh nice, I retract my complaint then if they've moved to actually supporting good security out of the box without an extra fee.
- catzkorn 2y ago
  Hi! Tailscalar here. I posted to the OP, but just to flag this is correct. We removed our 'sso tax' a couple weeks ago from our pricing plans, and I released a blog today about it being removed entirely. Extremely happy it's gone!
RockRobotRock 2y ago
Is that really fair? SSO is free, but SCIM isn't.
danmur 2y ago
I don't get what's wrong with charging more for SSO? They're in the business of making money, and if you need SSO and you need their service you're more likely to have money. It's nothing to do with the feature itself.
- earnesti 2y ago
  I don't think there is anything wrong about it, but I think it is a good thing to be informed about it, especially for those involved with smaller businesses.
  - danmur 2y ago
    I don't disagree, but I doubt anyone's going to use this website called the 'wall of shame' to get pricing info rather than look at the pricing page.
- michaelt 2y ago
  The problem is we in the software industry are so used to getting handed everything for free that a lot of software developers don't even know how to get their employer to buy something. Every engineer in every other field of engineering knows exactly how to order things, and has access to a properly organised budget for doing so. You need electronic components? Custom-machined parts? Raw material like metal sheets? Nuts and bolts? Aluminium extrusion? Of course you pay for it - and the organisation's purchasing procedure is something you learn in your first week. We in the software industry, on the other hand, get free operating systems, free compilers, free IDEs, free databases, free libraries, free documentation and training, free support - pretty much free everything. So you can get surprisingly far in the industry without ever learning the difference between a quote and a proforma invoice - or how to explain to the boss why we should give JetBrains $50k per year in terms she'll understand and approve of. As such, when the people gifting us and our employers free stuff add a paid tier with features we want, but they charge money for it, it's an almighty inconvenience.
  - ikiris 2y ago
    No, this is nowhere close to it.
robertlagrant 2y ago
What feature should pay salaries, if any?
paxys 2y ago
Not sure what you are implying but Tailscale lets you sign in with Google, Microsoft, Apple, Github or a custom OIDC server on every plan.
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catzkorn 2y ago
Hi! Tailscalar here. This is very topical for me! Over the past 3 weeks I've been working with internal stakeholders to remove our SSO tax - the sso tax is a pet hate of mine. A couple of weeks ago we removed it from our pricing plan after my proposal was approved, and today I released a blog on our website to announce it more widely: https://tailscale.com/blog/sso-tax-cut https://tailscale.com/blog/sso-tax-cut I knew of https://sso.tax https://sso.tax (which we are not listed on but I did include in my blog), but didn't know there was another website too!
- PhLR 2y ago
  Sounds like Tailscale is now a candidate for the "Friends of SSO" list https://ssotax.org/friends-of-sso.html https://ssotax.org/friends-of-sso.html Respect for pushing that through the org!

Just gonna note this is still a thing https://ssotax.org/ https://ssotax.org/

by ikiris 2y ago

Just gonna note this is still a thing https://ssotax.org/ https://ssotax.org/

deleted 2y ago

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supermatt 2y ago

And it also seems like its wrong (or outdated?), Given they offer "SSO with any IdP" on ALL plans, including the free (personal) one: https://tailscale.com/pricing https://tailscale.com/pricing

mkl 2y ago
It says updated 2024-03-13 from source https://tailscale.com/pricing https://tailscale.com/pricing, but "SSO with any IdP" is in the Starter plan before that [edit: no, I'm wrong, it used to say "standard" not "any"]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240309045009/https://tailscale.com/pricing https://web.archive.org/web/20240309045009/https://tailscale... Are they talking about something different?
- orthoxerox 2y ago
  SSO Tax is usually about using your private SSO, not Google or GitHub. If they say "any IdP", then the data on ssotax must be out of date.
  - mkl 2y ago
    Oh, you're right. It used to say "SSO with standard IdP" and now says "SSO with any IdP". The site is out of date, despite its claimed update date.
    - mathiasn 2y ago
      It's a community project, you can just update it :-)
- ikiris 2y ago
  Oh nice, I retract my complaint then if they've moved to actually supporting good security out of the box without an extra fee.
catzkorn 2y ago
Hi! Tailscalar here. I posted to the OP, but just to flag this is correct. We removed our 'sso tax' a couple weeks ago from our pricing plans, and I released a blog today about it being removed entirely. Extremely happy it's gone!

RockRobotRock 2y ago

Is that really fair? SSO is free, but SCIM isn't.

danmur 2y ago

I don't get what's wrong with charging more for SSO? They're in the business of making money, and if you need SSO and you need their service you're more likely to have money. It's nothing to do with the feature itself.

earnesti 2y ago
I don't think there is anything wrong about it, but I think it is a good thing to be informed about it, especially for those involved with smaller businesses.
- danmur 2y ago
  I don't disagree, but I doubt anyone's going to use this website called the 'wall of shame' to get pricing info rather than look at the pricing page.
michaelt 2y ago
The problem is we in the software industry are so used to getting handed everything for free that a lot of software developers don't even know how to get their employer to buy something. Every engineer in every other field of engineering knows exactly how to order things, and has access to a properly organised budget for doing so. You need electronic components? Custom-machined parts? Raw material like metal sheets? Nuts and bolts? Aluminium extrusion? Of course you pay for it - and the organisation's purchasing procedure is something you learn in your first week. We in the software industry, on the other hand, get free operating systems, free compilers, free IDEs, free databases, free libraries, free documentation and training, free support - pretty much free everything. So you can get surprisingly far in the industry without ever learning the difference between a quote and a proforma invoice - or how to explain to the boss why we should give JetBrains $50k per year in terms she'll understand and approve of. As such, when the people gifting us and our employers free stuff add a paid tier with features we want, but they charge money for it, it's an almighty inconvenience.
- ikiris 2y ago
  No, this is nowhere close to it.

robertlagrant 2y ago

What feature should pay salaries, if any?

paxys 2y ago

Not sure what you are implying but Tailscale lets you sign in with Google, Microsoft, Apple, Github or a custom OIDC server on every plan.

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catzkorn 2y ago

Hi! Tailscalar here. This is very topical for me! Over the past 3 weeks I've been working with internal stakeholders to remove our SSO tax - the sso tax is a pet hate of mine. A couple of weeks ago we removed it from our pricing plan after my proposal was approved, and today I released a blog on our website to announce it more widely: https://tailscale.com/blog/sso-tax-cut https://tailscale.com/blog/sso-tax-cut I knew of https://sso.tax https://sso.tax (which we are not listed on but I did include in my blog), but didn't know there was another website too!

PhLR 2y ago
Sounds like Tailscale is now a candidate for the "Friends of SSO" list https://ssotax.org/friends-of-sso.html https://ssotax.org/friends-of-sso.html Respect for pushing that through the org!