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More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you
by urda 2y ago
More people should be tending their "digital gardens" just to have something to curate and share. Bring back the weird, the odd, the deep-dives into topics you never imagined having such detail, bring back the strange animated GIFS, the websites always "under construction", give me your weird, give me your odd, this should be everyone's place to be free.
- 082349872349872 2y agoI feel like letting my geek flag fly / Yes, I feel like I owe it to someone __________ ____\ / | __ _| / | | |\ \ | _____\ |________\ | | |
- aidenn0 2y agoAlmost uninstalled Linux / It happened just the other day
- dhosek 2y agoPoints for the CSNY deep cut reference.
- fsckboy 2y agofor CSNY "Almost Cut my Hair", 1970? may I please have points, too sir? Jimi Hendrix "If 6 was 9", 1967: "If all the hippies cut off all their hair I don't care, I don't care... White collar Windows users, flashin down the street pointing their plastic finger at me, hoping soon my kind will drop and die: I'm gonna wave my freak flag high!"
- aidenn0 2y agoYou get points from me because that's a clear reference I missed despite having heard both songs.
- aidenn0 2y agoJust picked up on what GP did first. I'm one of those weird people who listen to albums more than singles, so I don't always know what's a deep-cut. Deja Vu is in regular rotation for me. Country Girl is the only track I'm tempted to skip on that whole album.
- notaustinpowers 2y agoI was just thinking today that I should just start posting my stuff on a personal site. Photos, blogs, life updates, etc. It gives me that control that I want, and I don't have to worry about Meta, etc trying to monetize it. Plus I get to unplug from those "n liked your post" dopamine hits.
- digging 2y agoI don't really share anything I make/do on the internet but I've found posting my photography on a personal site feels pretty good even if I don't expect anyone to ever see it there. Recently I made a /now page and even started blogging infrequently - again, there are likely 0 viewers, but there's some pride in knowing I've staked out a corner of the internet for myself.
- ozim 2y agoI think everyone is done with influencers. People would like to find genuine ones instead of just cash grabs.
- verzali 2y agoPeople, especially the younger generations, are already too cynical. A lot of them don't seem to believe anyone does anything on the Internet except to make money. I find that profundly depressing.
- fennecbutt 2y agoI think that's wrong. Loads of my mates are 18-24 and many don't realise how basically all the "Hey look at this cool useless cheap crap" vids are all just ads. They even buy that crap, was no signal to think about it without being reminded to think about it.
- criddell 2y agoI've thought about building personal site, but the opportunity cost is just too high. The time I spend making a site has to come from somewhere and there just isn't anything I do that I want to take time from.
- autokad 2y agoI remember when they were on the agenda path to eliminate gifs. You'd see posts on hacker news written by Giffy, a company seeking to make its existence justified by getting rid of gifs, all over hacker news. When I would say: This is a terrible idea, they just want to control and own the content. a gif you own, a gif you can download and so what ever you wanted, etc. boy was I down voted into oblivion. One of the reasons for this is many posts aren't on hacker news by accident, they are hidden advertisements. Chances are, you got the karma to downvote people. Just starting off at -1 is a disadvantage. You can try it too: just disagree with what an article says in the comments, 99% of the time you will be downvoted. Agree and you get free karma. This is not always the case, but generally is.
- gentleman11 2y agoIt’s the opposite. Being contrarian is free karma, generally. The downvotes come from picking unpopular positions, whether you’re wright or wrong. I used to get downvoted a lot when talking to people about privacy, but now those sorts of posts get upvotes. Times and prevailing opinions change
- ants_everywhere 2y ago> One of the reasons for this is many posts aren't on hacker news by accident, they are hidden advertisements. obligatory https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html
- crooked-v 2y agoThat stuff is still around, it's just on Discord and VRChat now.
- FroshKiller 2y agoThen it isn't around. It's walled off. And it will disappear.
- Almondsetat 2y agoDo you spend your life reading 20yo blog posts? Just live the moment with the opportunities it gives you
- dhosek 2y agoSometimes. I stumbled across somebody’s 20+-year-old collection of deep musical analyses of early Chicago songs. That same material on Twitter/Facebook/Discord/whatever is going to be inaccessible.
- mauvehaus 2y agoI'd be interested in a link. Live At Carnegie Hall was my paper-writing music in college. I discovered later that I don't much care for it when I don't have anything else occupying my mind. I'm unsure if it's because there isn't really that much to the songs of if I'm missing some nuance and complexity that makes them worth another listen.
- jallmann 2y agoMy Twitter feed has a bunch of people doing extremely niche deep dives into Cold War weapons systems. For example, on the design of MiG-23 air intakes: https://twitter.com/BaA43A3aHY/status/1753715489686057384 https://twitter.com/BaA43A3aHY/status/1753715489686057384
- jozzas 2y agoThis is literally the point of the article. That's all posted inside the twitter walled garden. Great content, wrong platform.
- idle_zealot 2y agoRSS handles syndication, but how would their deep-dives be discoverable if they had been posted to personal blog sites? That's a missing piece of the puzzle for the distributed web; curation and recommendation are ad-hoc and don't scale.
- RGamma 2y agoThey'd be discoverable by search or linking. The distributed web is compatible with feeds. It's what's happening on this site too. Except the content would be packaged and redistributable and wouldn't disappear when the original service goes down or such.
- kevinsync 2y agoSure, but (gen-pop) search itself has been degraded / hijacked beyond recognition compared to two decades ago, and walled gardens heavily discourage linking. Factor in that most people access internet from devices designed to consume in very specific ways from a controlled list of sources and we may as well be lamenting that nobody's finding the one physical copy of your book that's sitting on a shelf in a brick and mortar library in Omaha. It feels like a chicken and egg problem to me -- realistically you need to meet people where they're at and appeal to the current channels' algorithms to get your content discovered, but in doing so you also reinforce the strength of the walled garden itself and participate in the diminishment of both search and the "wild" internet at large.
- properbrew 2y agoIf you haven't checked out the "Surpise me" button on https://wiby.me https://wiby.me I strongly suggest you do. These digital gardens are still out there even if sadly stuck in time.
- lancesells 2y agoI've used that button so many times to find things. I wish there was another directory that had the same unique feel but a bit more modernized. Wiby seems to be only one era or feel.
- jmholla 2y agoI like Marginalia: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random
- marginalia_nu 2y agoI got some quality issues right now. Kinda works but not as well as I'd want.
- Filligree 2y agoIt's gotten famous enough that people have started optimizing for it?
- marginalia_nu 2y agoNah, just been working on low level stuff and I haven't had the time to do a lot of the manual quality tuning that's always been necessary once in a blue moon. Downside of being a one man show is I only have so much attention to spend on tasks, so sometimes quality tuning gets a bit neglected.
- ya1sec 2y agoGonna plug my project: https://moonjump.app/ https://moonjump.app/ I have a keyboard shortcut that opens moonjump.app/jump, which will redirect to a random site
- m-i-l 2y agoAs much as I like "digital gardens" and think that they are a step in the right direction, rewilding requires much more than cultivating lots of isolated patches of ground - the article even mentions a nature reserve which was "too small and too disconnected to be rewilded. Its effectively landlocked status made over-grazing and collapse inevitable".
- Vrondi 2y ago...these things still exist. They are not surfaced by search engines, because they are too small, and no companies are paying the search engines to do so. Most people stay inside their social network bubbles and never look at regular websites outside them.
- solarpunk 2y agomy friend has a thing that really fits the vibe of "digital gardens" well: https://greenhouse.server.garden/ https://greenhouse.server.garden/
- aaron695 2y ago[dead]
- Repulsion9513 2y agoYou know what, I'm gonna go find an "under construction" animated gif to add to my website now. Thank you.
- jskelly 2y agoHere you go: http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/ http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/
- winternett 2y agoI have been doing so for a long time, but man, hosting costs are rising, and they really don't give me much storage to host community functionality at all. :| http://www.ruffandtuffrecordings.com/ http://www.ruffandtuffrecordings.com/
- nicbou 2y agoConsider caching to reduce hosting costs. If you are patient, consider static site generators. The latter made running a website so much simpler. There is virtually no maintenance left to do.
- AbstractH24 2y agoLast weekend I had a long discussion about bringing back weird in my daily life here in NYC Seeing this now makes me wonder if it’s more to do with life in general.
- xnx 2y agoTikTok is where the weird/folk Internet is now.
- arromatic 2y agoCan you elaborate more ? I don't use tiktok so i don't have much idea.
- xnx 2y agoTikTok is probably the easiest way for any average person to put content on the internet. Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter are still more intimidating than "point phone and hit record". Because it is so easy to put something on TikTok more people than every are posting things to the world (not just to friend/family groups) than ever. The content I comes from people who range in age from teenage to retiree, from every country, profession, and economic group. TikTok also has a discovery mechanism that gives every video a chance to get at least some views. I've seen videos that only have a dozen likes of a clutch of 5 robin eggs growing up and flying out of the next, videos on how to start a diesel locomotive, and marketing videos from a Chinese factory where "Roger" promotes his LED signs using English spoken in different American regional accents. My favorite videos recently are from "deeptok" (which, ironically, has gone pretty mainstream) of supremely obtuse, absurdist, random stuff like mulch wizard: https://www.tiktok.com/@patrick.lllll/video/7358144823108373803 https://www.tiktok.com/@patrick.lllll/video/7358144823108373...
- arromatic 2y agoSeems interesting but seems like tiktok dosen't like me. I clicked the link and all i got was some terrible hyper localized content youtube won't even recommend . But it's good to see newcomers to get chance . The search seems awful i search some stuff in english and it showed me unrelated content. How is it dethroning youtube ?
- balder1991 2y agoSearch on TikTok is really not good. The only way is letting the algorithm do its thing and soon it’ll show you content that interests you (which is content you liked or spent more time watching etc.). It has no interest in offering you exactly what you want, it wants to maximize your time “hoping” the next video will be very good, which eventually happens (if you sunk enough time).
- m463 2y agoI think it's getting harder to "be your own person" digitally. For example, host your own mail. Do people host their own webservers anymore? (is a VPS is good enough?) IRC? muds? The rise of smartphones made "computing" accessible to everyone, but people can't actually compute. Computers used to come with a language. You could write your own programs and run them from the getgo. You didn't have to ask permission to digitally sign your own program and run it.
- Repulsion9513 2y ago> For example, host your own mail. Ugh, yeah, good luck on this one. You can get by quite well using one of the major providers as an (outbound-only, if desired) gateway though. > Do people host their own webservers anymore? (is a VPS is good enough?) Yes and yes but mostly it's Docker hell > IRC? muds? They're both still around, albeit a shadow of their former selves. IRC is better than ever, use a client like The Lounge and it's basically(*) a modern chat app. (* Okay, stuff like multi-line and message editing are still effectively missing, but you get embeds and whatnot)