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Not mentioned in the article: for MAD reasons, it's much easier to build shelters if everyone knows you have no first strike capability. see also https://msbgi

Not mentioned in the article: for MAD reasons, it's much easier to build shelters if everyone knows you have no first strike capability. see also https://msbgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/nearby/index.html?appid=8bfc89e7c6064bc181c6a1a6bbac2fa3&sliderDistance=1 https://msbgis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/nearby/index.htm...

vq 3y ago
Also not mentioned: SAAB 36[0], the supersonic bomber intended to carry nukes. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_36
- mepian 3y ago
  The wind tunnel model reminds me of the SR-71.
resource_waste 3y ago
> it's much easier to build shelters if everyone knows you have no first strike capability. Why is it easier?
- yes_man 3y ago
  I would assume same reason why in the nuclear warfare logic, it’s a threat to build anti-missile tech. If you start building nuclear shelters and also have capability for first strike, your adversaries are within their rights to think you are escalating, since you are increasing your population’s resiliency to a second strike (hence making it less costly for you to strike first).
  - 082349872349872 3y ago
    ^ this was what I had been thinking while writing
- hbossy 3y ago
  You are building shelters meant for protection against collateral from your neighbors getting hit and wide area, city-destroying, Samson-option style air-burst attacks, not bunker-busting precision strike surface detonations designed specifically to crack your underground command centers and silos. It also guarantees you a longer time window between first detonation and you being targeted, meaning less dense shelter network and easier evacuation logistics.
ein0p 3y ago
It takes about 15 minutes between the launch and nuclear detonation halfway across the world. I actually checked where the nearest nuclear shelter is where I live I couple years ago. It’s 35 minutes away if there’s zero traffic, which is unrealistic. So if a nuke strike were to occur my best bet is still to shelter in place in my suburban basement. The strike targets will likely be 15 to 25 miles away.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  The joys of living in central Europe - I have a nuclear bunker in my building.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    What do you do once everything is nuked? You just come out and hold your breath?
    - throwaway11460 3y ago
      Yes, you come out after the fallout and hope for the best. There used to be supplies during the cold war, probably not anymore. Masks and some anti radiation gear is still there though.
      - 48864w6ui 3y ago
        Ours tend to be full of wine, skis, and other bric-a-brac
victorbjorklund 3y ago
How did that work out for Ukraine?

vq 3y ago

Also not mentioned: SAAB 36[0], the supersonic bomber intended to carry nukes. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_36

mepian 3y ago
The wind tunnel model reminds me of the SR-71.

resource_waste 3y ago

> it's much easier to build shelters if everyone knows you have no first strike capability. Why is it easier?

yes_man 3y ago
I would assume same reason why in the nuclear warfare logic, it’s a threat to build anti-missile tech. If you start building nuclear shelters and also have capability for first strike, your adversaries are within their rights to think you are escalating, since you are increasing your population’s resiliency to a second strike (hence making it less costly for you to strike first).
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  ^ this was what I had been thinking while writing
hbossy 3y ago
You are building shelters meant for protection against collateral from your neighbors getting hit and wide area, city-destroying, Samson-option style air-burst attacks, not bunker-busting precision strike surface detonations designed specifically to crack your underground command centers and silos. It also guarantees you a longer time window between first detonation and you being targeted, meaning less dense shelter network and easier evacuation logistics.

ein0p 3y ago

It takes about 15 minutes between the launch and nuclear detonation halfway across the world. I actually checked where the nearest nuclear shelter is where I live I couple years ago. It’s 35 minutes away if there’s zero traffic, which is unrealistic. So if a nuke strike were to occur my best bet is still to shelter in place in my suburban basement. The strike targets will likely be 15 to 25 miles away.

throwaway11460 3y ago
The joys of living in central Europe - I have a nuclear bunker in my building.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  What do you do once everything is nuked? You just come out and hold your breath?
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    Yes, you come out after the fallout and hope for the best. There used to be supplies during the cold war, probably not anymore. Masks and some anti radiation gear is still there though.
    - 48864w6ui 3y ago
      Ours tend to be full of wine, skis, and other bric-a-brac

victorbjorklund 3y ago

How did that work out for Ukraine?