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You mean things like thinking that the vaccine harms of something nearly the entire world has received which was being said would kill people in two years time

by kromem 3y ago

You mean things like thinking that the vaccine harms of something nearly the entire world has received which was being said would kill people in two years time is more dangerous than the thing that actually killed millions of people during the last few years? It would be pretty weird if there were major political parties denying the science like that, or even picking who they would vote for as a leader based on the person agreeing with their magical thinking flying in the face of empirical evidence on that subject.

carlosjobim 3y ago
In the end it seems both "sides" were wrong on this. The vaccines didn't protect people from getting covid, but they also didn't kill them.
- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  > The vaccines didn't protect people from getting covid What do you mean by this? The vaccines absolutely decreased the likelihood of getting and the severity of Covid.
  - ctrw 3y ago
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    - Daishiman 3y ago
      Whatever information you're getting, know that you're on the end of disinformation, because the mortality reductions were definitely broad-spectrum.
      - ctrw 3y ago
        Is that why the US is the only country to mandate covid vaccines for children when there were no deaths in that group?
        boxed 3y ago
        No, that's because you are right in that politics got involved so people got super confused. Wearing masks indoors in your own home for social signaling or wearing masks outdoors after it was long clear that was silly. But the US being overly politicized doesn't have any impact on if the vaccine worked or not. Reality doesn't care.
        aredox 3y ago
        The US does not mandate covid vaccines for children. you are indeed deeply misinformed, to the point of not getting basic facts right. Please admit it. https://www.statista.com/chart/25326/obligatory-vaccination-against-covid-19/ https://www.statista.com/chart/25326/obligatory-vaccination-... https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/countries-making-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory-2021-08-16/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    I meant exactly what I wrote, almost everybody who took the vaccines contracted covid.
    - drekk 3y ago
      Protecting people from COVID involves more than preventing them from contracting the illness. It reduced mortality and hospitalizations. Compare the mortality rate in a country like Brazil to the US and tell me again how the vaccines didn't protect people from COVID. I seriously don't get this antivax nonsense. People get the flu after a flu vaccine sometimes too. The point is to not have a naive immune system if all other defenses fail.
      - carlosjobim 3y ago
        > I seriously don't get this antivax nonsense. Maybe you have been conditioned to react with extreme suspicion when somebody even dares to mention the word "vaccine", so you don't even read what people write and start imagining what they "must be meaning"? We live in an age of paranoia and hostility, even after the pandemic. I'm incredibly happy that the people saying that the vaccines were dangerous were wrong. It's a shame they didn't protect people better, but in the end the pandemic ended just as expected, ie a super-contagious and much less lethal strain infected everybody. This is how the black plague probably ended, reading accounts from the time. Even if they didn't know anything about viruses then.
        CogitoCogito 3y ago
        > It's a shame they didn't protect people better… And it’s great its protection wasn’t worse! > …but in the end the pandemic ended just as expected, ie a super-contagious and much less lethal strain infected everybody. This is how the black plague probably ended, reading accounts from the time. Even if they didn't know anything about viruses then. There was never any question that in the long term general immunity wouldn’t cause the strains to become less virulent, it was always a question of how many people would die or get very sick before we got there. The Black Death killed a third of Europes population so im happy we know more about viruses now than they did then.
HelloNurse 3y ago
"Major political parties" know that votes from idiots are as valuable as votes from people they are unable to fool: no-vax conspiracy theorists are one of many despicable constituencies that they want to be nice to, at the cost of alienating a smaller number of better people.

by kromem 3y ago

carlosjobim 3y ago

In the end it seems both "sides" were wrong on this. The vaccines didn't protect people from getting covid, but they also didn't kill them.

CogitoCogito 3y ago
> The vaccines didn't protect people from getting covid What do you mean by this? The vaccines absolutely decreased the likelihood of getting and the severity of Covid.
- ctrw 3y ago
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  - Daishiman 3y ago
    Whatever information you're getting, know that you're on the end of disinformation, because the mortality reductions were definitely broad-spectrum.
    - ctrw 3y ago
      Is that why the US is the only country to mandate covid vaccines for children when there were no deaths in that group?
      - boxed 3y ago
        No, that's because you are right in that politics got involved so people got super confused. Wearing masks indoors in your own home for social signaling or wearing masks outdoors after it was long clear that was silly. But the US being overly politicized doesn't have any impact on if the vaccine worked or not. Reality doesn't care.
      - aredox 3y ago
        The US does not mandate covid vaccines for children. you are indeed deeply misinformed, to the point of not getting basic facts right. Please admit it. https://www.statista.com/chart/25326/obligatory-vaccination-against-covid-19/ https://www.statista.com/chart/25326/obligatory-vaccination-... https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/countries-making-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory-2021-08-16/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  I meant exactly what I wrote, almost everybody who took the vaccines contracted covid.
  - drekk 3y ago
    Protecting people from COVID involves more than preventing them from contracting the illness. It reduced mortality and hospitalizations. Compare the mortality rate in a country like Brazil to the US and tell me again how the vaccines didn't protect people from COVID. I seriously don't get this antivax nonsense. People get the flu after a flu vaccine sometimes too. The point is to not have a naive immune system if all other defenses fail.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      > I seriously don't get this antivax nonsense. Maybe you have been conditioned to react with extreme suspicion when somebody even dares to mention the word "vaccine", so you don't even read what people write and start imagining what they "must be meaning"? We live in an age of paranoia and hostility, even after the pandemic. I'm incredibly happy that the people saying that the vaccines were dangerous were wrong. It's a shame they didn't protect people better, but in the end the pandemic ended just as expected, ie a super-contagious and much less lethal strain infected everybody. This is how the black plague probably ended, reading accounts from the time. Even if they didn't know anything about viruses then.
      - CogitoCogito 3y ago
        > It's a shame they didn't protect people better… And it’s great its protection wasn’t worse! > …but in the end the pandemic ended just as expected, ie a super-contagious and much less lethal strain infected everybody. This is how the black plague probably ended, reading accounts from the time. Even if they didn't know anything about viruses then. There was never any question that in the long term general immunity wouldn’t cause the strains to become less virulent, it was always a question of how many people would die or get very sick before we got there. The Black Death killed a third of Europes population so im happy we know more about viruses now than they did then.

HelloNurse 3y ago

"Major political parties" know that votes from idiots are as valuable as votes from people they are unable to fool: no-vax conspiracy theorists are one of many despicable constituencies that they want to be nice to, at the cost of alienating a smaller number of better people.