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Wait -- being fired for low productivity wouldn't require his multiple jobs being discovered. But you say he was fired when the companies found out. So they (o

Wait -- being fired for low productivity wouldn't require his multiple jobs being discovered. But you say he was fired when the companies found out. So they (or rather... you, his direct manager?) didn't notice his low productivity until they noticed he was working three jobs? Or perhaps you noticed but weren't sure what to do about it until you discovered the extra jobs? (Incidentally, I don't approve of working multiple jobs simultaneous like this without your employers knowing, I think it's unethical. But also... let's be real, many supervisors and companies don't in fact seem to notice or fire people with low productivity, and productivity varies wildly between people who aren't secretly working extra jobs too)

shawabawa3 3y ago
Being fired for low productivity is usually a long and slow process even in the US Having a solid reason can mean instead of PIPs etc you just immediately terminate
- listenallyall 3y ago
  When we're talking about a "brilliant" engineer, the "best I ever worked with", the wise manager looks for ways to adjust the employer-employee relationship keep him, not seeks reasons to immediately terminate.
- jrochkind1 3y ago
  So if they were fired more quickly than they could be fired for low productivity, it sounds like they were fired for something other than low productivity, no?
kelnos 3y ago
> I don't approve of working multiple jobs simultaneous like this without your employers knowing, I think it's unethical. Why is that unethical? I don't think it's my employer's business what I do with my time outside of work hours. Where "work hours" should be a flexible thing, especially for knowledge work, outside of required meeting attendance. Ultimately as long as I get my job done to my employer's satisfaction, that should be all that matters. Seems like that was the real problem with the guy who got fired upthread; the discovery of the multiple-jobs thing was a convenient way to fire him without having to deal with documenting the low performance, a PIP, etc. What I think is unethical is companies making employees sign a "I won't work anywhere else while employed here" thing when they start work.

shawabawa3 3y ago

Being fired for low productivity is usually a long and slow process even in the US Having a solid reason can mean instead of PIPs etc you just immediately terminate

listenallyall 3y ago
When we're talking about a "brilliant" engineer, the "best I ever worked with", the wise manager looks for ways to adjust the employer-employee relationship keep him, not seeks reasons to immediately terminate.
jrochkind1 3y ago
So if they were fired more quickly than they could be fired for low productivity, it sounds like they were fired for something other than low productivity, no?

kelnos 3y ago

> I don't approve of working multiple jobs simultaneous like this without your employers knowing, I think it's unethical. Why is that unethical? I don't think it's my employer's business what I do with my time outside of work hours. Where "work hours" should be a flexible thing, especially for knowledge work, outside of required meeting attendance. Ultimately as long as I get my job done to my employer's satisfaction, that should be all that matters. Seems like that was the real problem with the guy who got fired upthread; the discovery of the multiple-jobs thing was a convenient way to fire him without having to deal with documenting the low performance, a PIP, etc. What I think is unethical is companies making employees sign a "I won't work anywhere else while employed here" thing when they start work.