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> the human brain is some kind of copyright laundering machine, maybe? I don't really know whether there is any argument for that apart that can't be reduce

> the human brain is some kind of copyright laundering machine, maybe? I don't really know whether there is any argument for that apart that can't be reduced to an appeal to common sense. Because it's an end not a means. The concept is central in philosophy, law, ethics, education.

beepbooptheory 2y ago
It's actually somewhat poignant to me that this not an obvious point for many circling around this. Accelerationism (in its true pseudo-Deleuzian/Nick Landian form, not the subreddit) is coming for us one way or another. Maybe all we can hope for is consolation. Like, if the tech elite is successful in this campaign of soft-dehumanization ("we are all LLMs anyway") it will open up some new cultural pathways to greater respect for animals and the environment. What is a cow but some kind of copyright laundering machine anyway? Subjectivity as we know it is quite contemporary, articulated in part by things like Kant's kingdom. I think things will start to change again. The world of love, art, particularly human passions might fade away to something different. You can almost feel people hungry for this. It doesn't have to be good or bad, its not for our subjectivity to understand after all. But I will say it does feel like we are leaving summertime now, towards a colder future.
- nonrandomstring 2y ago
  > It doesn't have to be good or bad I think it's inevitably bad because dehumanisation ends in war. Dehumanisation, for me, is synonymous with violence. It isn't just technology but the terrifying post-modern subjectivity that allows 8 billion people to co-exist in relative peace. "Accelerationism" looks set to build still more and better weapons, fewer ways of resisting using them, and less capacity to care, so I fear the colder future you speak of will be a nuclear winter. Of course, as you say, it's like some people want that.
  - skissane 2y ago
    > dehumanisation ends in war Or humans as pets. If you want to see humanity’s future, consult the nearest dog or cat.

beepbooptheory 2y ago

It's actually somewhat poignant to me that this not an obvious point for many circling around this. Accelerationism (in its true pseudo-Deleuzian/Nick Landian form, not the subreddit) is coming for us one way or another. Maybe all we can hope for is consolation. Like, if the tech elite is successful in this campaign of soft-dehumanization ("we are all LLMs anyway") it will open up some new cultural pathways to greater respect for animals and the environment. What is a cow but some kind of copyright laundering machine anyway? Subjectivity as we know it is quite contemporary, articulated in part by things like Kant's kingdom. I think things will start to change again. The world of love, art, particularly human passions might fade away to something different. You can almost feel people hungry for this. It doesn't have to be good or bad, its not for our subjectivity to understand after all. But I will say it does feel like we are leaving summertime now, towards a colder future.

nonrandomstring 2y ago
> It doesn't have to be good or bad I think it's inevitably bad because dehumanisation ends in war. Dehumanisation, for me, is synonymous with violence. It isn't just technology but the terrifying post-modern subjectivity that allows 8 billion people to co-exist in relative peace. "Accelerationism" looks set to build still more and better weapons, fewer ways of resisting using them, and less capacity to care, so I fear the colder future you speak of will be a nuclear winter. Of course, as you say, it's like some people want that.
- skissane 2y ago
  > dehumanisation ends in war Or humans as pets. If you want to see humanity’s future, consult the nearest dog or cat.